The good news is that all these fash will be easier to identify if they keep posting. Long live the posters amirite?

      • leredditor99 [he/him,none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Some shit ukrainians keep saying over the last while. I think it has to do with some idea about Russians representing "Asiatic hordes" "attacking europe" (as some see it).

        Somewhat ironic given that if you line up a Ukrainian and a Russian you can't tell the difference by their appearance. But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I find it instructive to remember that in WWI The Germans were described in propaganda as being "Asiatic" and "Huns", despite how absolutely ludicrous on it's face that is. Race is a social and political construction, always.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          But some Ukrainians do have crack-pot theories about Ukrainian racial purity or some bullshit. Like literally the most insane theories that seem like a post-post ironic parody or something.

          Depending on whether or not you believe RT, the Ukrainian government had published statements to this effect.

          https://www.rt.com/russia/552060-ukrainian-pure-blood-museum/

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        Its a racial slur with plausible deniability, you have the fucking minister of defense going around saying "These are not slavs, these are orcs".

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          It's a reference to Lord of the Rings. Ukrainian Fascists; Read another book.

          And in Tolkien's defense the best map for Orcs isn't any particular race, or even race relations. Sauron and his Orcs stand in for urbanization, industrialization, and mechanization of the world that Tolkien apparently believed was overwhelming an idyllic British countryside of small stead independent farmers and shit. So reactionary, but not explicitly racist or even particularly classist. Like Tolkien wasn't woke or some great social commentator, but he does avoid a lot of the worst trends in fantasy fiction from throughout the 20th century. You can actually read LotR without having to make too many apologies, and some of those are "Women have undeveloped characters and little agency". Which sucks, but like, compared to Lovecraft? I'll take it.

          Honestly someone should to a woke re-write of Tolkien. Dude was on the record somewhere that he wanted people to add to his legendarium, not leave it some static, fixed thing.

      • comi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Russian ukrainian shenanigans, I wouldn’t treat it too seriously, russia mordor has been liberal thingy for a while, orcs is flowing from there, not like racial origins (although it’s getting worse)

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        Tolkien is really, really popular in Europe and Eastern Europe. People love it. And there are some fash strains that like Tolkien because of the monarchism and heroic sacrifice and the race shit they read in to it. I mean, it's not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to, but it's also really easy to just let Orcs be Orcs and appreciate that the story is about diverse peoples coming together to overcome an evil expansionist empire.

        • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          it’s not that hard to read race shit in to it if you want to

          tolkein himself did unfortunately:

          In a private letter, Tolkien describes orcs as:

          squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."

    • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      you would not want to be taken alive by Russian orcs as a part of AZOV Regiment

      Critical support for Russia

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I'm not feeling very crab rave about this. It sounds like Mariupol is getting hammered and trading Nazis for civilians is a bad trade. Nazis aren't worth anyone's life. Situation just sucks all the way around.

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Nazis aren’t worth anyone’s life.

            I agree with this in principle, but unfortunately Nazis intentionally obscure the line between civilian and Nazi to make civilian deaths inevitable.

            Everyone agrees that killing kids in war is bad until they're being charged by a Hitler Youth fanatic holding a grenade.

            The only way to prevent this was for the Ukrainian government to clamp down on Nazis instead of get in bed with them, and that ship sailed long ago.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              Don't get me wrong. This war was made inevitable a long time ago. And war is hell. But it's still important to remember that innocent people are dying for no more reason than that Nazis emplaced an AT missile crew near their apartment.

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Well even if we aren't all crab about it, at least we can all agree that the end of Azov means the prevention of many more needless deaths.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      "SS men never surrender!"

      "That's because nobody needs you alive."

      https://dsss.be/hitler-vs-stalin/index.php?img=20