It's kind of weird seeing so many ppl on this site say things like "if it was my partner I would beat the shit out of someone" and similar stuff (see this thread: https://hexbear.net/post/183672). Not gonna lie it's kinda weird hearing that from nominal leftists. It sounds no different than some machismo person trying to start a fight cuz his honor was disrespected or something. This is what I said in that thread:

I mean I get the sentiment, but it also kinda feels like some kind of toxic machismo holdover. Kind of like “how dare you make fun of MY wife, if you insult her you basically insult ME!” I dunno it sounds kinda possessive, as if someone damaged your property, therefore damaged your pride.

So how do ppl justify this? I'm genuinely curious.

One thing I've seen some people say is that "he was standing up for someone." But that still sounds like some "you've disrespected m'lady sir, shall we duel?" shit. Like I see this stuff all the time from dads who get mad at their daughter's dates ("don't you dare lay a hand on her or I'll kill you") or brothers that are very possessive of girl family members ("if you mistreat my sister I'll kill you!") or even chuds getting triggered about the flag ("if you disrespect the flag I'll kill you!").

I dunno sounds very honor culture-y. Also sounds like retributive justice, which is fine I guess if you believe in that but we've seen the horrors that has wreaked on minority communities in places like the US. I dunno lemme know what you all think.

  • queenjamie [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I can’t speak to the context of will Smith but I would slap someone who was disrespecting my wife or kids.

    I mean it's one thing to defend your family or loved ones against violence. But to respond to a verbal insult with physical retribution?

    • swampfox [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      it's a slap - the universal signal to "fucking stop you moron". The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you're a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

          • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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            3 years ago

            thank you for your service comrade o7

            here is your award for wrecking a wrecker: :order-of-lenin:

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I'm not sure this person is a wrecker and in a way I can see where their coming from as people I know from abusive backgrounds have expressed similar opinions to this on the slap incident

        • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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          3 years ago

          I guess I’ll keep that in mind next time I see a husband slap a wife across the face when they’re arguing in a restaurant.

          what the fuck. how about we don't equate a guy fighting another guy to domestic abuse? that would be great.

          • queenjamie [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            it’s a slap - the universal signal to “fucking stop you moron”. The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you’re a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

            This is what the other person said. If a slap is a "universal signal" and "1% physical (if you're a tiny baby)" then I don't know how else to interpret that I guess...

            • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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              3 years ago

              I mean sure, I could see being unable to interpret it any other way if youre a fucking moron

                • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  I mean in effect you’re calling them “low-IQ” or some kind of other race-realist BS right

                  Lol yeah man, you got me, im secretly a nazi and this is how I get my kicks. Put 5% more effort into your bait and stop crowing about being insulted like there's a teacher here who give a shit, moron.

        • swampfox [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Well if you only start to process information at the point of hand-to-face impact you might be dumb enough to compare those two things.

          slapping can be warranted =/= slapping is always warranted

              • queenjamie [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                it’s a slap - the universal signal to “fucking stop you moron”. The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you’re a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

                Your own words, just sayin...

                • swampfox [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  once again, saying a slap can be justified doesn't give you carte blanche to claim that I condone slapping for any given action.

                  in the case of ridiculing someone for a disease, I think it is justified, personally. Chris rock wasn't in any actual danger - it was 100% public humiliation and Chris Rock had already humiliated Jada, so eh.

                      • queenjamie [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        If I offend someone to the point of wanting to slap me that’s fine.

                        The problem is that where is that line? Some people can get trigger happy real fast

                        • swampfox [none/use name]
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                          3 years ago

                          If someone is throwing out unjustified slaps then they will be held accountable by society's judgment. This in turn will effect people's personal judgment when debating whether to slap or not.

                          The line is drawn by the context and can't be articulated universally with language.

                          • queenjamie [none/use name]
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                            3 years ago

                            The line is drawn by the context and can’t be articulated universally with language.

                            Makes sense, so maybe it might be best not to say a slap is:

                            the universal signal to “fucking stop you moron”. The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you’re a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

                            But sure I see what you're saying.

                            • swampfox [none/use name]
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                              3 years ago

                              universal signal =/= universally justified

                              a slap always means the person has had enough and is expressing their rage at a person so that the person they perceive as a malevolent moron stops.

                              that doesn't mean that the slapper used good judgment. Example: a drunk person who imagined being insulted.

                • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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                  3 years ago

                  it’s a slap - the universal signal to “fucking stop you moron”. The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you’re a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

                  Your own words, just sayin…

                  :very-intelligent: I gotcha with the ol' switchrooooooo

    • leftofthat [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Is that some sort of line you don't cross? You'd bruise someone's soul but not their cheek?

      There's always an issue with escalating violence. But sometimes the escalation is part of the message.

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        retributive escalation of violence is a bad behavior cycle to get into. I don't think he should be punished as there wasn't any actual injury caused or any danger of that happening but he was very much wrong for escalating things to violence.

        • leftofthat [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          retributive escalation of violence is a bad behavior cycle to get into

          Yes totally agree

          • swampfox [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Abusing your spouse in any form is domestic abuse and categorically wrong. I'm clearly talking about people slapping people they don't hold any special power over be it economic, emotional, etc.

            You are grasping at straws and making me spell out things as if it is your first day on Earth.

            • queenjamie [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              I’m clearly talking about people slapping people they don’t hold any special power over be it economic, emotional, etc.

              Yeah you've made that clear now, but your original comment:

              it’s a slap - the universal signal to “fucking stop you moron”. The harm done by a slap is 1% physical (if you’re a tiny baby) and 99% public humiliation.

              was not very clear. But I see what you're saying. Still don't necessarily fully agree but I see where you're coming from

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      yeah Will Smith escalated things here which is the pattern of behavior that leads to vendettas. There were responses available other than violence that he was very much in the wrong for not taking such as yelling "fuck you"