"He had 11 children, most of whom became members of the Russian nobility"
:wojak-nooo: NOOOO OUR NOBLE WHITE BLOODLINES
"The Tsar was part African, and Lenin was part Kamlyk. Therefore, the execution of the Romanovs was an act of Asian-on-Black violence. Asians are the real racists."
pretty sure I've seen some weird racial science alchemy about Hitler and Stalin in order to prove that WW2 was an Albanian civil war.
:jesse-wtf:
I wonder if reactionaries would consider the three musketeers woke pc propaganda as it was written by a black person who wrote in white characters instead of black (or if that's just reserved for white creators writing characters from minority backgrounds).
Similarly, some weebs get really mad when you point out that they'll never be a Samurai but Nobunaga accepted a black man as a retainer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
I was looking forward to that series, then in the first five minutes of episode 1 the mechs came out.
I'd been personally hoping for a more realistic portrayal; sure, stylize it as much as you want, but without the sci-fi elements (heck, without the fantasy ones either).
There were/are people of African descent in the Abkhazia region of modern day Georgia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians_of_African_descent
The ethnic origin of the Afro-Abkhazians—and how Africans arrived in Abkhazia—is still a matter of dispute among experts. Historians agree that the settlement of Africans in a number of villages in the village of Adzyubzha in Abkhazia (then part of the Ottoman Empire) is likely to have happened in the 17th century. According to one version, a few hundred slaves were bought and brought by Shervashidze princes (Chachba) to work on the citrus plantations.[3] This case was a unique, and apparently not entirely successful, instance of mass import of Africans to the Black Sea coast.[4]
People still very much underestimate the widespreadness of African peoples in as early as ancient and medieval europe. African people have lived in England and every other corner of the Roman Empire since the establishment of their presence there. Tough in limited numbers, being moved there as slaves (along with enslaved European and Middle-Eastern peoples) or being stationed there as soldiers. They were most prominent in the Iberian peninsula. During the middle ages black Africans (both freedmen and enslaved) made up about 10% of the population in Iberian cities. They had a similar presence in Renaissance Italy.
It's almost like history nerds forget that human beings can move around and migrate to different regions for trade or to sell specialty labor (or as slaves).
People think that Hollywood movies from the 1940s-1980s are the only reliable sources of the demographic makeup of the historical world.
the movies are old, therefore they are fact (this is literally their thought process)
I wanted to find out which children became members of nobility but ended up getting caught in a Pushkin genealogy rabbit hole instead. Turns out one of Abrams great great great grandchildren was a Nazi, which leads me to wonder if the Nazi ever knew he was a direct descendant of a black russian
I think a lot of people would short circuit if they knew about Latin American history. 2nd president of Mexico was a black guy lmao
Mfw you make a historically accurate movie about a famous black person in a European country and reactionaries still get upset and call it woke propaganda, but then later also cry about criticisms of
WH40k only having male space marines or focusing on white primarchs or space marine chaptersany misogynist, racist and pro-imperialist entertainment they like and claim people should be free to make any artistic choice they want without criticism.
It'd be nice to Historically Accurately play as Mansa Munsa styling on all the europoors during his continental tour. :sicko-yes: :yes-hahaha-yes-l:
'Historically accurate' portrayals of Europe that exclude black people or only include them in antagonistic roles 👍
Historically accurate portrayals of black people in Europe in positive roles, or indeed any positive portrayals of historical black people in media (EXCEPT! Except when the antagonist is also black!) 👎
"No, black people didn't exist outside of Africa in old times!!!" :le-pol-face:
But this reminds me of Nassim Nicholas Taleb going viral as he went on a long twitter rant about some "SJW woke bullshit" because there was a portrayal of a black centurion, and "there were no black people in the Roman Empire, when they said that someone was African, it obviously only included Egyptians and Carthaginians!!!!"
Man, I have been on the internet too long.
It really takes a math genius to find the one group of people who were native to Lebanon but isn't Muslim or Jewish, isn't one of the many ethnicities he dosen't like (Greek, Turkish, Armenian, etc.), were still polythiests when they died out so he can claim they have been Christian since Jesus walked the earth, and had a Mediterranean spanning empire that he wants to reclaim.
While it dosen't make any historical sense how he can claim to be Phoenician, it does solve his race science logic puzzle.
Let's not forget Jesus' portrayal as being white, or the insistence of conservatives that he was (I really don't understand the existential angst Western Christians get at the prospect that Jesus wasn't white).
With all the liberties The Great takes with history, I assumed this character was just part of the vibe. That show has a weird effect if you don't know much about Russian history - you're sure that most of it is wrong, but you don't know enough to point out which aspects of it are at least loosely accurate. It's pretty fun either way.
I know enough to realise that many of the inaccuracies are historical in-jokes (Peter's mother died shortly after his birth, but half the anecdotes about her are what Catherine did to her son Paul) and the more absurd ones are kind-of true. Not just the obvious ones like the Horse rumour, but even stuff like the roller coaster (it was more of a proto summer luge thing.
I do like that she is growing into the petulant tyrant she actually was and the gradual reversal of her and Peter's roles to where Peter is also pretty accurate as an intelligent, progressive, fair-minded, but impulsive and somewhat casually violent person
I should have been more considerate towards our more senior posters, I am sorry
I just depends entirely on how and where the fantasy is based. For English stuff yeah there weren't that many black people and especially weren't many aristocrats that were black (as all fantasy pretty much follows the aristocrats only). But say in France the situation was different, I can't think of any medieval famous black people from there but there were plenty once the age of sail and empires started. It really depends on the locations the myths are from.
Like a guy below says tho if you're doing the setting in the caucuses or even Italy and the lower Mediterranean then yes there were plenty African peoples living there.
It's a question of nuance and where the mythology of the story is based on. Not unlike how it's shitty to include a white main character in a story based on myths from somewhere in asia.
However if a person is making up a new story not tied hard to mythology they can obviously do at they will. Plus they can follow people who are lower on the social class level where there were people of many mixed ancestry have existed. The thing is they were always rare and thanks to history from that era being at least inherently racist they get left out from whatever accomplishments they achieve.
