Having pre-convinced notions about people based on inherent traits they cant change is bad in any context
Also https://timeline.com/ronald-reagan-astrology-quigley-aa81632662d9
Having pre-convinced notions about people based on inherent traits they cant change is bad in any context
I got called racist for pointing this out in a previous astrology struggle session
idk saying astrology is fake and funny is pretty tame. i feel like Adorno saying that it's built on essentially fascist patterns of thought was a bit more controversial.
He found a way to be anti astrology that isn't specifically sexist. Get ready for a the worst people you can imagine to weaponize the new technique
Sports are similarly a opiate of the masses but people don't complain about that as readily as they do astrology. So self crit is prudent to make sure why we do what we do.
Nobody goes around pretending they can tell the future or understand people's personalities based on the results of sports games
You simply are not fun enough at parties to see people decend into wold tribalism over sport teams then.
Stars are fake. The moon isn’t actually in the sky it’s all an illusion. The North Star isn’t bright. Those collections of stars haven’t formed the same shape for thousands of years. It’s all a conspiracy by Stanley Tucci
The moon could be something weird
We don't know, we haven't been up there
I find most sports extremely boring to watch, but I kinda get having hometown pride and wanting your team to win in order to have bragging rights for a bit. People who get deep into that shit and can only talk about sports and sports stats and are in sports clubs that war with other clubs are pathetic losers who should get another hobby.
Side note, what’s the end goal of sports hooligan gangs? Like don’t you want your team to have opponents to play against? If your gang was successful in murdering all the supports of the opponent team wouldn’t that mean you team would have nobody to play against? What would they just stand around the field?
I get the appeal of playing sports, it’s exercise with your friends. I find WATCHING sports really fucking boring generally, especially American Football, it’s 90% standing around and commercial breaks.
especially American Football, it’s 90% standing around and commercial breaks.
That's what makes it so quintessentially American
Astrology is useful as it proives some emotional support dealing with the world dying and every structure you were trained to trust betraying you repeatedly.
So does drinking and overeating. If the best you can say about astrology is that it's a coping mechanism you might as well ditch it.
Replacing it is fine. Taking away a person's coping mechanism without replacing does not improve their lot
Does that feel like a healthy way to talk about a fellow alienated worker to you?
What would you want from a person so lost that they hope old roman star maps can give their lives any meaning?
There is no possible good faith interpretation of what I said that would lead to what you said.
Let the children play. is what I say. If you want to invest the time to raise them so they are no longer children that is good. However, you can't be mad at children for playing. Especially since stoping them from playing does help anything and just serves to make their lives worse.
How are there 40 comments about this on a website that's supposedly populated by materialists
hermeticism once again at it
i feel like ive been riffing hermeticism a lot here but it really is the cause of so many absurd things in our society
What does hermeticism have to do with this? I thought it was a pretty fringe religion.
basically all the new age nonsense is directly descended from it, not really fringe at all many kings in western europe took it seriously and so did the enlightenment
jordan peterson even shoplifts from heremeticism and acts like he doesnt. look up the history of court astrologers, for instance, queen elizabeth i had one and thats basically just state sanctioned hermeticism from a very prolific and important queen of england. hermeticism and feudal structures often went hand in hand and were used to reinforce existing power dynamics through nonsense
fun fact, elizabeth's astrologer was the first person to coin the term 'british empire' and wrote several books on what they needed to do to achieve it
I was only recently exposed to how deep this rabbit hole goes, I've only been exposed to the benign or sillier side of this from pop culture. Born in China and immigrating to Australia but still growing up in a Chinese household, I thought it would be more like how the Chinese view the Chinese zodiac - Largely ceremonial. But people deeming that some others are less desirable either platonically or romantically simply because of the timing of their birth, a factor entirely out of their control, seems kinda problematic. And attributing behaviour, positive or otherwise, of themselves and others not based on human free will is probably not a good position to have.
This is starting to sound more like white people Falun Gong, lol.
I don’t really see how astrology is helping keep people sane tho. My skepticism of religion aside, it at least generally has a message, world view, and sense of community, yah know valuable things. Astrology is just like “everyone born in January has the same personality”, idk how that’s keeping anyone sane.
There are movements of the moon and sun through the different houses, patterns of how various things move in the sky. Interpretations can vary, but the stars have been moving the same for thousands of years. Although, I think the timing of when each house is in the sky has shifted slightly over the last 10k years
Astrology is actually pretty complicated. The little bits you see in the newspaper are, theoretically, based on the relationships between the distances between the moon, the sun, and the 'houses' of the horoscope. In addition, if you're a 'real' astrology practitioner, you don't just look at what you're sign is, you want to do a full birth chart, looking at all of those positions, making it so the reading is different every day.
I'm not trying to say complicated = real of course, but it is a belief with depth. You mention inconsistency is beliefs, which is probably true, but asking different groups and getting different answers is pretty common in spiritualism.
Ngl I unfollowed big joel because i would keep seeing v*ush in his replies (it was annoying just to see "this tweet was made by someone you blocked")
But I like him, he's a funny guy, I'm glad he's causing arguments by being ambivalent to astrology
Hank, go bother Dean, I'm busy killing 75 guys with guns using only a knife and my bare hand.
people post shit like this then are constantly like 'damn, why is hexbear so white?'. I'm not even an astrology person or w/e, but I am a Muslim who has spent more than enough time around progressive Muslims to know this is why they don't wanna hang out with you. the rationalism wankery does not do the left any favours. and before you come in with m-m-muh materialism, you can be a materialist in terms of economics and sociology and all that without also needing to never have any faith or some such thing.
I don't believe tou must agree with me, faith is something personal. what I do ask, and what many others ask who are spiritual comrades, is that you stop sounding like a 14 year old who just worked out the Catholic church might be kinda bad
people post shit like this then are constantly like ‘damn, why is hexbear so white?’.
HexBear is white because it’s an obscure leftist Internet forum formed by reddit refugees. I don’t think black people are turned off by the fact some users find astrology cringe, I think they hardly ever stumble on this backwater in the first place.
The biggest astrologer I know is a 67 yo librarian who lives with his mother
I know tons of dudes into astrology. I dislike it because I work at a place that attracts the worst new age hippie liberals well off enough to buy $500 worth of snake oil every month while going on about covid and 5g conspiracy shit. It's so deeply intertwined with the new age Q Brain people I loathe it. I think as an isolated thing it's mostly harmless but the overlap with those groups where I am and those groups overlap with weird eco-fascist shit has me kinda chalking it up to the other side of the coin to American esoteric fascism.
I want to reiterate that it is harmless in a vacuum and that the overwhelming majority of people are not the ones I am talking about, but there is definitely valid critiques of new age woo woo shit and how it fits into (or rather has been coopted into) American esoteric fascism.
If Protestantism has 1 million haters, I am one of them.
If Protestantism has 5 haters, I am one of them.
If Protestantism has 1 hater then that hater is me.
If Protestantism has no haters then I am no longer alive.
If the world is for Protestantism then I am against the world.
Until my last breath, I will hate Protestantism.
Well that’s a good thing
Hating Catholics is just an excuse to hate Irish and Italian people
People who really hate astrology tend to be annoying cis white “I fucking love science” guys, so therefore astrology must be stanned and anyone who finds it mildly annoying is just sexist, including women who find it mildly annoying g.
I mean it seems he hates it cuz his dad was a massive astrology weirdo. Unless his dad was secretly trans I think that complicated things.
I don’t see how astrology is inherently feminine, one of the biggest astrology weirdos I’ve ever known was literally a frat boy.
Also idk who the fuck Joel’s dad is but it seems weird to assume he was “fem-leaning” whatever that means.
its brainworms from hermeticism, of which modern astrology is derived. tldr: men are a cosmic good, women are a cosmic evil. cosmic good and evil clash and understanding these forces is how you achieve true enlightenment. calling something 'feminine' can mean a lot in hermeticism and astrology as whole and it usually isnt a good thing, its basically shoplifted yin-yang
Isn't this what Jordan Peterson unironically believes? Feminine chaos dragons and lobsters and all that?
Technically, he says men are Order and Women are Chaos, and that you need both.
He then devotes writing to the fact that the world is too chaotic right now, and needs extra order to bring it back into balance. Also, if you call him on any of this, he'll retreat by saying, "Oh, I'm just talking about stories, the stories humans tell each other. Don't blame me for saying it, its the meaning behind what humans have been telling each other!"
So its hard to pin his specific beliefs down, or at least, to get him to admit it, as its pretty clear his 'vibe' is conservative Christian who desperately wants to think he's smart.
yeah hermeticism says that in everyone there is evil and good and that the only good thing is god and anything absent of god can be evil but men are more likely to have good in them for... reasons, usually ties in with christianity and how god created adam first
