though i think there's a solid argument to be made for most of these being conservative, even if not in ways this guy would necessarily recognize as such. name a series on this and i could find a legitimate, not a bit reason it's reactionary. that goes triple for one piece
Damn, Bocchi is fascist :(
Also isn't Jin-Roh about how fascism dehumanizes and destroys its own? Chud media literacy is a joke, obviously, so I assume they just see the aesthetics and think
"WHOA COOL NAZIS"yeah jin-roh is about how fascism dehumanizes and destroys itself, but it does very much aestheticize the whole thing to a slightly worrying extent
i don't really have an answer for bocchi beyond high school anime broadly is about making the most of the last time of freedom you have before going into the meat grinder that is the japanese workforce/college, but that's a symptom and not actually the anime itself being conservative
To be fair, most of the thread is making fun of the kind of mental gymnastics the maker of this list did to misconstrue the themes of a number of these shows as conservative…
This has to be a bit, theres no way they can't know that Miyazaki is a leftist
And fucking ONE PIECE?!?
miyazaki's work broadly is very retvrn with a v. all about how we gotta go back to this pastoral fantasy, with mononoke being especially bad about this. his environmentalism is a reactionary environmentalism. and that's not even getting into his hardon for the japanese war machine. miyazaki would hate these people but there's so much for them to latch onto in his work
one piece, in addition to all the 'we gotta return the rightful king to the throne!' and skypiea and fishman island, has some of the most rancid transphobia you'll ever find. even if oda is trying to make up for that these days, it still has that and it's incredibly bad
And fucking ONE PIECE?!?
First thoughts are Skypeia and the
way Oda draws women.I mean skypeia is an arc about supporting a land back movement. This guy probably just thinks fighting the government as an anarchist is conservative or something else really stupid.
no the fuck it is not! skypeia is an arc about supporting a settler colonialist revanchist movement and convincing the land back movement they need to be nicer to the settlers. it's about returning the rightful king to the throne, as 90% of one piece arcs are. one piece is so fucking conservative
Kiki is such an insane choice.
It's literally about creativity, burnout, female agency and independence.
The cottage core shit is also like a single artist so I dunno what this freak is on.
she's a child laborer doing small business stuff
this doesn't make the movie bad or anything, but there's a conservative read
It's truly an incredible way one could mangle the movie lol. God, that just hurts.
How can this be conservative-core when Kill la Kill - literally main theme is getting more powerful the more confident you get about being naked?
Don't forget that it's also got bloody bloody blood blood because violence is cool
Side note I love how that emoji is called "libertarian alert" lmao
Side note I love how that emoji is called "libertarian alert" lmao
I love
for similar reasons lol
Now that you mention it, most of these shows star little girls
most shows in japanese anime are placed in high school for many reasons, some of the major ones is that in japanese culture, highschoolers tend to have the most "freedom" (that is time is less occupied), an event that most people go through (thus being broadly more relatable vs a college show, where not everyone goes to college) and anime is generally targeted for younger folk.
Kill la Kill's entire concept started because someone at Trigger thought it'd be funny to make a pun out of fashion and fascism.
ryuko being a nudist lesbian is obviously not particularly conservative, but it's a DEEPLY individualist fantasy
I take solace in the fact that no fascist will ever put the shows I, the One True Anime Communist, like, in a list like this.
Because no fascist will ever sit through Mushishi or The Tatami Galaxy without getting bored.
feel fairly confident utena isn't going to be on these lists anytime soon, that'll get any conservative ranting about removed in a heartbeat
now im imagining the person who watches utena and is cheering for akio trying to force fem utena and being confused when that isn't how the show ends. very making up a guy to get mad at
Let's see, how many of these do I like... Let's say 11 by the most conservative definition... Out of 40 on this chart. So I am apparently at least one-quarter reactionary.
Horseshoe theory time
I'm that +/- a few (probably like nearly anyone on this comm, it's literally just a list of popular anime - there's not even any deep cuts here lol).
to us lol.oh trust me, me too, including some of the ones i'd argue are kinda legit conservative. anyone who's into anime (especially anime from before the big streaming boom) is going to be
jjba, gits, eva, sailor moon, hellsing, bocchi, gundam, chainsaw man, black lagoon, cowboy bebop, fate
some others as well
Oh, you like the good ones? I mainly like the bad ones, you see.
Yeah I mean, I think I understand the ones I'm familiar with as "conservative core" picks. Most of it is shallow and aesthetic but that's sort of what these lists are about. Though for more than one of these I think the shallow, aesthetic relation to conservatism is underage girls. Come to your own conclusions on that one.
It's also worth keeping in mind that one of the undercurrents of conservatism is a reactionary disdain for capitalism. While few would actually articulate that honestly these days, it used to be stated outright. So while some might also be repulsed by the destruction inherent in industrialization found in Mononoke, the conservative would do so yearning for a regression to feudal relations.
There are some notable absences though. I would have thought Attack on Titan would be there, it used to be very popular with the right. Did that somehow change?
i think this person is a very 2007 era anime fan who probably wasn't watching much anime when aot got big. there's a big gap of about a decade where they only watch a couple shows before getting back into anime. very much a type of guy
The two where I can squint and see his point are Hellsing and Spy Family.
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Hellsing's obvious because of all the Christian imagery
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Spy Family, is about well...starting a family. But I never thought conservatives would like it because Loid isn't a fat abusive alcoholic like an "alpha male".
Spy x Family is steeped in Cold war imagery with the "bad side" pretty much being a stand in for the GDR
Tanya the Evil features "2nd Reich" (it's actually a blend of 2nd and 3rd) as the protagonists
Legend of the Galactic Heroes has Space Prussia & enlightened despotism winning
Tanya the Evil features "2nd Reich" (it's actually a blend of 2nd and 3rd) as the protagonists
That is correct, but also keep in mind as far as S1 goes the stand in for America's hero, the antagonist was literaly a traditional white blond Mary Sue, also keep in mind the whole theme is Tanya is explicitly fighting against God from an atheist perspective.
There couldn't be more of a disconnect between modern younger millennial chudism and traditional boomer "conservative values".
japanese conservatives often hate america, that's not a generational thing
I was referring to the perspective of the guide maker in the OP which I assume was making this for new viewers not people who are already weebs.
Maybe that assumption is wrong, but IMO following from it, having a white blond American woman as a soldier AND antagonist while Tanya as a child soldier giving orders and often talking down old men in the army is not something I expect anyone over 40 to enjoy, this is all far more likely to annoy older conservatives while sure 4chan loves it. Also as I said the atheist theme alone is likely a turn off, its either you stand for Nazism or you're a 4chan kid. Normie 40yo+ conservatives are probably going to have a negative reaction.
So "conservative core" is rather more like "4chan top random picks for [current year +-15]"
oh sure. i guarantee you whoever made this list was active on 4chan in 2006, and probably still is today. thus list is incredibly elder millenial/young gen x weeb. i'm a little surprised they don't have like, slayers on there
That's a good way of pointing it out. Although I extend this to older fascists as well. Normies basically fall under the base assumption that "good = fascist" and "bad = left-leaning".
If normie Amerikkkans watched Snowpiercer and liked it, they would call it a based aryan film. If they read The Turner Diaries and somehow didn't like it, they could call it woke.
That begs the question, why would CHUDs of any stripe hate Amerikkka? Is it like Russia where their only gripe about Amerikkka is that they are a bunch of fascist baby eaters that are in competition with them for eating babies?
japanese conservatives generally dislike america on account of america forcing the dismantling of japan's military and general bitterness about ww2 and the aftermath. so kinda what you were saying but they do have specific historical and current gripes
Spy Family, is about well...starting a family. But I never thought conservatives would like it because Loid isn't a fat abusive alcoholic like an "alpha male".
It's also about found family and adoption. There's definitely a portion of right-wingers that adopt kids, but the fascist anime fan types seem too obsessed with cum to consider "raising someone else's child."
yeah, hellsing is all about conservatives killing heathens in gloriously aestheticized violence. and spy x family is being the patriarch and cold war stuff
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essential communist-core:
- medabots
- digimon episodes with patamon in them
Azumanga Daioh, the anime where the frigging air force makes a giant rainbow pride flag in the sky above wedding bells and an ocean of flowers when a girl gets paired up with her crush who is also a girl
Kimura is typically the butt of the joke and is hated by basically everybody, so I wouldn't say it's normalized per se, especially not when there are many, many, many other anime that do normalize
stuffyeah i just mentioned it because it was the only thing i could think of, not because it's actually worth condemning the show over
the real reason it's on this list is of course because it is very funny and that means conservatives also like it, and this one felt the need to justify it by saying it was a conservative show
iirc it has some jokes about foreigners? i don't really remember and definitely think it's one of the most 'on the list because it's popular with a certain age demographic of weeb' things on the list
"some jokes about foreigners" as in Patty Martin being a weeb?
isn't there a bit where some creepy foreigner hits on them? idk. this is very vague memories i was never the most into lucky star, and i am not really making the claim that anything on this list (outside of like, tanya the evil) is actually an inherently conservative thing
You might be blending two different scenes, actually, because there was that one scene where some locals started taking pictures of Tsukasa because she couldn't say no so Kagami had to step in to get them to back off, and there was a different scene where some Indian tourists approached the gang asking for help in taking pictures of Koufuku-ji.
im curious what the author thinks bleach being conservative, given its about a rebellious teenager who breaks all the traditional values of a longstanding organization by breaking a lot of taboo things throught the series (banned substitute shinigamis, yet still became one, caused an uprising just to save Rukia, did not have full shinigami blood by delving into hollow powers and essentially being part hollow thus a vizard, something the society swears to destroy, even further goes into that hole by being part quincy thus being mixed blood, bypasses the original method of getting a zanpakto initially, the list could go on and on)
the show almost represents progressive action given its essentially old farts finally changing the rules for modern times.
they think the soul society are the good guys. i don't think kubo thinks that, but they definitely just think 'oh the soul society are the good guys'
also him being mixed race isn't real to these people. those are fantasy things and conservatives have difficulty with the concept that fantasy things could have any real world parallels
its ironic given quincys are portrayed like they are Nazis and they would ignore that.
Isn't bleach the one where the author was an out-and-out fascist?
i don't think so? attack on titan is the only big one i can think of off the top of my head
not that im outright aware of, hes just a guy whose not really good at writing stories, well known for his taste in fashion (which he actually owns his own clothing line). he was always an art guy more than writing, as story wise, a lot of his work is thematically mixed messages.
I'm not familiar enough with Bleach, but I remember there being recent discourse over a sword with a swastika/possible manji with lots of manga panels where it's definitely looking very swastika.
This dude scrounged up a ten minute OVA crossover between an anime/manga retail chain mascot and Touhou for this lmao
Guess it’s there because it stimulated the economy or smth
