I don't want to hear any shit about me shilling for Biden, because I'm not. Fuck Biden. Need to get this off my chest though.

I want fascists around the world to feel what we felt the night Corbyn lost, when we found out Bernie had a heart attack, when he conceded defeat like a coward.

Because they haven't felt anything but power and hate for the past 5 years.

The wave of fascist parties taking hold in Europe and parts of South America were buoyed by what happened on our stolen land. We showed them what was possible and we need to do that again, except in an explicit rejection of rightwing fascism.

I want Trump to be buried alive (electorally) so we can take (online) pilgrimages to piss on his (campaign's) grave.

I want Biden to be on full display 24/7 so that the entire world realizes what a joke neoliberalism is and we can finally destroy it.

I want to build real power and bully libs and tell them that we don't have to take their shit because "The dang cheeto" is no longer in the White House and we're not fucking around, and all of the harm that is happening to people around the world is because their guy is a failure.

I feel at this point leftist orgs need to own up to their anti-fascist claims and do the bare minimum of calling for Trumps removal, even if they also denounce Biden in the process.

Anyways. Have a nice night, comrades. Stay safe and stay hydrated.

QUICK EDIT: I also wanna see the left organize an anti-war movement rivaling the leadup to Iraq under a Democratic president the minute Sleepy Joe tries to pull some shit. That would fucking slap.
Misinterpreted and I'm dead tired but this was just an example, not "wishing genocide" or some other weird shit.

ANOTHER EDIT: People seem to be implying that I am saying "vote for Biden".. I'm not, I am expressing my own views and feelings on the current state of hell, though it should NOT be controversial to want to remove a literal fascist from office on a leftist internet community.

  • heqt1c [he/him]
    23·
    4 years ago

    What value is gained by me voting Green this year? Hawkins is at <1% already and I live in a solid red state.

      • heqt1c [he/him]
        23·
        4 years ago

        I don't expect them to represent me

        This isn't about the Dems it's about Trump, we can deal with that dumpster fire at the same time.

          • heqt1c [he/him]
            25·
            4 years ago

            So it's Nov 4th, the Greens manage to get 3% of the vote. Trump won, but it was close so the Dems are talking about lawsuits.

            What now?

            • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
              ·
              4 years ago

              Well like you said, you live in a red state so your vote made no difference either way. How was that supposed to counter what she said?

              • heqt1c [he/him]
                2·
                4 years ago

                My intent for this post was more to get people thinking about the conditions after the election, not necessarily how to vote.

                It was definitely construed that way because I was kind of heated when I made the post and it was poorly crafted, but that's kind of it.

                I am arguing that the left will have an easier time winning and generally organizing under Biden than Trump, and it's easy to see why that can be seen as advocacy for voting for him (even though I put bold letters at the top and made an edit to clarify)

                • Dear_Occupant [he/him]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  Having organized under both Bush and Obama, it honestly doesn't make a whit of difference who the president is. Obama sent thugs with guns after us in Occupy DC just the same as Bush did to our anti-war actions. The machine is designed to oppress us and it keeps on spinning regardless of who is operating it.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
        ·
        4 years ago

        Let’s be materialist.

        The Dems aren’t going to return to that platform within the foreseeable future. They’ll just keep running republican-lite, because fundamentally they don’t care about being in or out of power.

        Social democracy hasn’t re-emerged anywhere in the west, and I’ll stake the future on it not re-emerging from the Democrats either.

          • KiaKaha [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            They do have office, just not the presidency.

            Also, parties can quite comfortably exist without being in power. Just check out Japan and Singapore. I’m sure there are others I’m not thinking of too.

            The Dems have enough history and donors not to collapse. They’ve got entire states on lock and key.

              • KiaKaha [he/him]
                ·
                4 years ago

                The Dems have enough of a base. Look at all the blue states. They can exist like that comfortably enough.

                They’re shit, but they’re also well practiced at being shit.

                • heqt1c [he/him]
                  5·
                  4 years ago

                  I'd say 65M is a healthy base for sure. Banking on the collapse of the Dem party based off an election loss where their fundraising is going to skyrocket is a very risky gamble.

      • heqt1c [he/him]
        14·
        4 years ago

        If they get 3% you think the Dems care? They love losing.

          • Rejs [he/him]
            ·
            4 years ago

            I wonder, actually, if this is true. The anti-Trump, russiagate gravy train has the democrats and their sympathetic media absolutely rolling in lib worship and money. I'm skeptical that they'd actually want to trade that for having actual responsibilities they need to follow through on, unless the gravy train of winning somehow seriously outpaces that of losing, which I doubt.

              • Rejs [he/him]
                ·
                4 years ago

                I guess I just have so much less faith in the liberals suddenly developing critical thinking skills after the past four years have demonstrated that they're just as happy as chuds to immerse themselves in comforting fantasies to avoid facing the reality that the Democrats suck and America actually has deep systemic problems that aren't caused by Russia and Trump

              • heqt1c [he/him]
                6·
                4 years ago

                No that gravy train will be in full force to elect another 20 something "security contractors" to the house in 2022 if Trump is still in office. Part of my logic behind posting this, but I didn't want to make a manifesto length post about it.

          • heqt1c [he/him]
            11·
            4 years ago

            2016 was the peak for the Green party, they are a hull now.

              • heqt1c [he/him]
                17·
                4 years ago

                I didn't tell you how to vote, I told you how I felt. Appreciate some respect and solidarity on a leftist internet forum if you could be so kind as to afford that to me.

                  • heqt1c [he/him]
                    11·
                    4 years ago

                    I’m saying vote left of Biden or only vote down-ballot.

                    This here.

                      • heqt1c [he/him]
                        11·
                        4 years ago

                        I didn’t tell you how to vote, I told you how I felt. Appreciate some respect and solidarity on a leftist internet forum

                        Better?

                          • heqt1c [he/him]
                            9·
                            4 years ago

                            Longish reply, last 2 sentences are the key points though.

                            I just wish you would re-read our little thread here and realize that I am not asking people to vote a certain way, nor is any of what I am saying in bad faith (I am voting green, because like I said..... red state, surrounded by bloodthirsty fash)

                            I am just giving my perspective that I think it's less about the "lesser of two evils" and identifying who the "greater enemy" is at this point.

                            I am not saying you need to do this, but I am saving my flaming for Biden (outside of this forum) until after Nov 4. I intend to fully roast his ass on a daily basis if he wins.

                            What I am doing personally (again, not saying you or anybody else needs to do this) is pointing out just how dangerous a 2nd term of Trump will be after he has:

                            1. Declared "antifa" a terrorist organization

                            2. Ordered federal police and the pressured governors to activate national guard against our comrades.

                            If he loses, we have used our energy to combat fascism and any remnants will return to their latent state and we continue organizing against a tepid neoliberal state led by a sundowning 78 year old and a weakened fascist base.

                            If he wins, we'll already have led the groundwork for further radicalization.

                            EDIT: fuck I forgot.... Currently the neocons at the Lincoln Project are running all of the anti-Trump messaging. You think that is helping grow the socialist movement?

                            • Dear_Occupant [he/him]
                              ·
                              4 years ago

                              Not meaning to spam you, there's just a lot to reply to in this thread.

                              Biden already very publicly put a target on the backs of our anarchist comrades so do you really think he is going to let himself be seen as *retch* "soft on crime" by taking Antifa off the terrorist list? That's a done deal, we're all on borrowed time here. Never mind that Antifa isn't even an org, those distinctions have never mattered to people like him. The libs will cheer him on for purging "Russian influencers" or whatever the fuck. I mean we're over here quoting Lenin FFS, the table is already set to make a meal out of us, the only difference is who gets to thank the chef for such a fine dinner. The mayors cracking down on the protests right now are all Democrats. The fascism train is rolling and we're not even in the caboose.

                              • heqt1c [he/him]
                                2·
                                4 years ago

                                Are you not willing to concede that having somebody in office that spouts off daily about "radical leftwing terror" or some shit, is worse for prospects than somebody who might just not have the balls to take a philosophy off a list?

                                • Dear_Occupant [he/him]
                                  ·
                                  4 years ago

                                  Gotta be honest here, I'm still not sure enough about the material impact of Trump's words to make that sort of evaluation or comparison. I mean, obviously it's causing harm, I'm not denying that at all. But how much? How do you measure that so that you can make a comparison to say, "Okay, this thing over here is actually worse / better." The man is made out of pure hype and his own enemies do half of his promotion for him. It's hard to say.

                                  I do know this much, whatever degree to which the Republicans expect the Democrats to crack down and make a show of acting tough, they will. I've got the scars to prove that.

                              • heqt1c [he/him]
                                3·
                                4 years ago

                                The crux of my argument isnt that Biden would be good. I am asking you to consider the prospects of growing the left under Trump Term II.

                                The rapid shift to the right on the Dem side (among the base) is a direct result of him taunting them in reaction to left wing and popular uprising, would you not agree with that assessment? They were libs before, but not cozying up with Neocons.