I don't want to hear any shit about me shilling for Biden, because I'm not. Fuck Biden. Need to get this off my chest though.

I want fascists around the world to feel what we felt the night Corbyn lost, when we found out Bernie had a heart attack, when he conceded defeat like a coward.

Because they haven't felt anything but power and hate for the past 5 years.

The wave of fascist parties taking hold in Europe and parts of South America were buoyed by what happened on our stolen land. We showed them what was possible and we need to do that again, except in an explicit rejection of rightwing fascism.

I want Trump to be buried alive (electorally) so we can take (online) pilgrimages to piss on his (campaign's) grave.

I want Biden to be on full display 24/7 so that the entire world realizes what a joke neoliberalism is and we can finally destroy it.

I want to build real power and bully libs and tell them that we don't have to take their shit because "The dang cheeto" is no longer in the White House and we're not fucking around, and all of the harm that is happening to people around the world is because their guy is a failure.

I feel at this point leftist orgs need to own up to their anti-fascist claims and do the bare minimum of calling for Trumps removal, even if they also denounce Biden in the process.

Anyways. Have a nice night, comrades. Stay safe and stay hydrated.

QUICK EDIT: I also wanna see the left organize an anti-war movement rivaling the leadup to Iraq under a Democratic president the minute Sleepy Joe tries to pull some shit. That would fucking slap.
Misinterpreted and I'm dead tired but this was just an example, not "wishing genocide" or some other weird shit.

ANOTHER EDIT: People seem to be implying that I am saying "vote for Biden".. I'm not, I am expressing my own views and feelings on the current state of hell, though it should NOT be controversial to want to remove a literal fascist from office on a leftist internet community.

  • heqt1c [he/him]
    11·
    4 years ago

    Summarize the alternative for me?

      • heqt1c [he/him]
        13·
        4 years ago

        Nobody has been able to convince me that having Trump in office for another 4 years fanning the flames of fascists who live all around me (literally 4 out and proud fascist families on my street) is better than a neoliberal clown from being able to continue the status quo.

        Can you do that?

        • CommieGirl69 [he/him]
          ·
          4 years ago

          simply speaking, you're thinking somehow 2016 brought fascism down upon america, and that's not how it works

          fascism arises as capitalism decays - it's caused by the deteriorating material conditions of the working class, and this time it was brought by the failure of neoliberalism, meaning people like biden are the direct cause of people like trump

          as he won't do shit about the actual cause of fascism - those deteriorating material conditions, which will keep worsening - electing biden will be useless, even if you think about electoralism at all, as it will just open the way for the fascists to win again, either in the midterms or 2024

          voting for someone else has the slight chance of bringing an alternative to light so that people can start seeing that the left can present an anti-establishment alternative that is better than the faux-alternative presented by the fash, so it's a far more rational choice, regardless of where you live

          • heqt1c [he/him]
            8·
            4 years ago

            It's our job to fight fascism regardless of the outcome in 2020.

            And I never said anything about myself voting or anybody here voting in my post. I am voting green myself.

            Better stated here than in my OP, because honestly I was a little on edge after a convo with my recently lib -> fash convert relative when I made this post. Maybe a better idea of where I am coming from here.

            https://hexbear.net/post/18919/comment/136252

            • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
              ·
              4 years ago

              It is our job to fight fascism, but here's the thing: this election stopped mattering on that front when the DNC kneecapped the democratic process to install a mass murdering rapist who contributed directly to the rise of the police state and is currently running an early 2000s Republican-style law and order campaign. That's your antifascism right there, says the ruling class. I'm not being pithy when I say that fascism has already won this election in one way or another, and our energy is best focused elsewhere.

          • heqt1c [he/him]
            7·
            4 years ago

            Trump already is droning more people than Obama and closing relations with Latin America.

              • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
                2·
                4 years ago

                As someone already pointed out that Obama’s drone strikes were hundred times more than Bush.

                If you're going to make this comparison, then it needs to be pointed out that operational armed drones weren't a thing for the entirety of Bush's two terms, unlike Obama.

                Never mind the two whole ass invasions that Bush launched. Actually, wtf is this comparison?

                  • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    With advancement in drone technology, it’s easier to cause more damage.

                    The law of diminishing returns kicks in tho. And the whole point of drones is to cause less damage, which is why they now have missiles with blades instead of an explosive.

                    So the same logic doesn't really work in that way.

                    And at this point I'm just nitpicking a minor point. Still, bizarre comparison.

              • heqt1c [he/him]
                9·
                4 years ago

                Ok, now I'll do a quick shill for Biden since you asked.

                There are a number of factors which would indicate he would be better, just a few points:

                • When he entered the Senate he was against the Vietnam War.

                • Biden was actually way better on Foreign Policy than Obama during their time in office, which is fairly easy. He opposed the intervention in Libya, he opposed the surge in Afghanistan, he opposes the US being a proxy for Saudi Arabia, he backs a two-state solution (same as Obama).

                • He promised in July of last year to end the US forever wars

                • He was against the 1991 invasion of Iraq

                • He argued against the covert raid in Pakistan that killed Bin Laden

                • He specifically and repeatedly has railed against US Post-WWII foreign policy for a long time, and on the campaign trail.

                • He led an effort during the immediate aftermath of the Afghanistan War to build schools and rebuild parts of Afghanistan that were destroyed by the war.

                A few sources (all of these points are backed up in these sources, and many others so you can verify):

                https://theconversation.com/bidens-long-foreign-policy-record-signals-how-hell-reverse-trump-rebuild-old-alliances-and-lead-the-pandemic-response-143671

                https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/07/11/biden-promises-to-end-forever-wars-as-president/

                https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/biden-obama-foreign-policy-record-2020.html

                https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2008/sep/01/lindsey-graham/only-as-a-last-resort/

                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-says-he-got-into-politics-because-of-the-vietnam-war

                • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  bruh.. .washington examiner is a right wing rag jsyk.

                  and promises mean shit and some of that is literally wrong or extremely lfucking cherrypicked???

                  https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/

                  Biden voted for the Iraq war resolution on October 11, 2002, three weeks after hearing from Tenet in the classified session.

                  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20849072/joe-biden-iraq-history-democrats-election-2020

                  “What’s the central reason that Congress approved the war? Key Democrats like Biden crossed over and made a deal with Bush,”

                  Due to Biden’s backing of Maliki, the US helped to broker a deal that would see him retain the premiership in December 2010 and lead Iraq, even though his party had technically come in second in the election.

                  Oh, this one is actually new to me. Fun! He's literally already responsible for a coup!

                  • heqt1c [he/him]
                    7·
                    4 years ago

                    Washington Examiner published it because its unpopular among their readership to have opposed the Vietnam War.

                    And yes, he fucked up big time on the Iraq War initially, but did make some good decisions later on. (and earlier in his career)