I don't want to hear any shit about me shilling for Biden, because I'm not. Fuck Biden. Need to get this off my chest though.
I want fascists around the world to feel what we felt the night Corbyn lost, when we found out Bernie had a heart attack, when he conceded defeat like a coward.
Because they haven't felt anything but power and hate for the past 5 years.
The wave of fascist parties taking hold in Europe and parts of South America were buoyed by what happened on our stolen land. We showed them what was possible and we need to do that again, except in an explicit rejection of rightwing fascism.
I want Trump to be buried alive (electorally) so we can take (online) pilgrimages to piss on his (campaign's) grave.
I want Biden to be on full display 24/7 so that the entire world realizes what a joke neoliberalism is and we can finally destroy it.
I want to build real power and bully libs and tell them that we don't have to take their shit because "The dang cheeto" is no longer in the White House and we're not fucking around, and all of the harm that is happening to people around the world is because their guy is a failure.
I feel at this point leftist orgs need to own up to their anti-fascist claims and do the bare minimum of calling for Trumps removal, even if they also denounce Biden in the process.
Anyways. Have a nice night, comrades. Stay safe and stay hydrated.
QUICK EDIT: I also wanna see the left organize an anti-war movement rivaling the leadup to Iraq under a Democratic president the minute Sleepy Joe tries to pull some shit. That would fucking slap.
Misinterpreted and I'm dead tired but this was just an example, not "wishing genocide" or some other weird shit.
ANOTHER EDIT: People seem to be implying that I am saying "vote for Biden".. I'm not, I am expressing my own views and feelings on the current state of hell, though it should NOT be controversial to want to remove a literal fascist from office on a leftist internet community.
Nobody has been able to convince me that having Trump in office for another 4 years fanning the flames of fascists who live all around me (literally 4 out and proud fascist families on my street) is better than a neoliberal clown from being able to continue the status quo.
Can you do that?
simply speaking, you're thinking somehow 2016 brought fascism down upon america, and that's not how it works
fascism arises as capitalism decays - it's caused by the deteriorating material conditions of the working class, and this time it was brought by the failure of neoliberalism, meaning people like biden are the direct cause of people like trump
as he won't do shit about the actual cause of fascism - those deteriorating material conditions, which will keep worsening - electing biden will be useless, even if you think about electoralism at all, as it will just open the way for the fascists to win again, either in the midterms or 2024
voting for someone else has the slight chance of bringing an alternative to light so that people can start seeing that the left can present an anti-establishment alternative that is better than the faux-alternative presented by the fash, so it's a far more rational choice, regardless of where you live
It's our job to fight fascism regardless of the outcome in 2020.
And I never said anything about myself voting or anybody here voting in my post. I am voting green myself.
Better stated here than in my OP, because honestly I was a little on edge after a convo with my recently lib -> fash convert relative when I made this post. Maybe a better idea of where I am coming from here.
https://hexbear.net/post/18919/comment/136252
It is our job to fight fascism, but here's the thing: this election stopped mattering on that front when the DNC kneecapped the democratic process to install a mass murdering rapist who contributed directly to the rise of the police state and is currently running an early 2000s Republican-style law and order campaign. That's your antifascism right there, says the ruling class. I'm not being pithy when I say that fascism has already won this election in one way or another, and our energy is best focused elsewhere.
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Trump already is droning more people than Obama and closing relations with Latin America.
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If you're going to make this comparison, then it needs to be pointed out that operational armed drones weren't a thing for the entirety of Bush's two terms, unlike Obama.
Never mind the two whole ass invasions that Bush launched. Actually, wtf is this comparison?
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The law of diminishing returns kicks in tho. And the whole point of drones is to cause less damage, which is why they now have missiles with blades instead of an explosive.
So the same logic doesn't really work in that way.
And at this point I'm just nitpicking a minor point. Still, bizarre comparison.
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One can know these things because they are public information. "Army generals" may have said whatever you say they said, but nevertheless we have a missile with blades instead of an explosive (anyone interested, Google "Hellfire R9X") and the only reason that it's known to the public is because it has been used. So I guess "Army generals" don't decide these things, or at least not the ones you're quoting.
I don't think Trump is going to show the same restraint in a second term than he did in the first. Why would he? His base wants war with Iran and China. He dropped that big ass bomb in Afghanistan just for the hell of it, MSNBC and CNN sang his praises when he shot missiles at Syria. Where's whatever you think is holding him back?
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That's not something that I've said.
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Ok, now I'll do a quick shill for Biden since you asked.
There are a number of factors which would indicate he would be better, just a few points:
When he entered the Senate he was against the Vietnam War.
Biden was actually way better on Foreign Policy than Obama during their time in office, which is fairly easy. He opposed the intervention in Libya, he opposed the surge in Afghanistan, he opposes the US being a proxy for Saudi Arabia, he backs a two-state solution (same as Obama).
He promised in July of last year to end the US forever wars
He was against the 1991 invasion of Iraq
He argued against the covert raid in Pakistan that killed Bin Laden
He specifically and repeatedly has railed against US Post-WWII foreign policy for a long time, and on the campaign trail.
He led an effort during the immediate aftermath of the Afghanistan War to build schools and rebuild parts of Afghanistan that were destroyed by the war.
A few sources (all of these points are backed up in these sources, and many others so you can verify):
https://theconversation.com/bidens-long-foreign-policy-record-signals-how-hell-reverse-trump-rebuild-old-alliances-and-lead-the-pandemic-response-143671
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/07/11/biden-promises-to-end-forever-wars-as-president/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/biden-obama-foreign-policy-record-2020.html
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2008/sep/01/lindsey-graham/only-as-a-last-resort/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-says-he-got-into-politics-because-of-the-vietnam-war
bruh.. .washington examiner is a right wing rag jsyk.
and promises mean shit and some of that is literally wrong or extremely lfucking cherrypicked???
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/15/20849072/joe-biden-iraq-history-democrats-election-2020
Oh, this one is actually new to me. Fun! He's literally already responsible for a coup!
Washington Examiner published it because its unpopular among their readership to have opposed the Vietnam War.
And yes, he fucked up big time on the Iraq War initially, but did make some good decisions later on. (and earlier in his career)
There is nothing that can come after "but" that excuses what comes in front of it, that's it, that's the whole show. Full stop. "Initially" is when it counted the most, when it was still possible to stop the slaughter. If a persistent commitment to preventing the deaths of innocent people isn't at the very fucking top of your list of priorities then you might want to check your head for brain worms. You've got something in there that is preventing you from seeing things with the clarity they require.
and thats correct.
But this post was kind of made to help people weigh the prospects of a Biden administration, and 66% of the country doesn't support invading another country - and Trump would most react to any catalyzing event the same way the Biden admin would with people like Pompeo in office, or possibly worse due to his nativist + "strongman" ego.. so the point is kind of moot.
I'm not saying he was all good, I was just asked directly:
So I answered.
Ah well. At least only hundreds of thousands Iraquis died because of that little fuck up! Whoopsie doodle!
What is your suggestion? How will that improve life for the most people?
??? Not vote for a war criminal who already has hundreds of thousands of people's lives of blood on their hands? Like you're asking me like it's an "own" when really all you have to do is not be complicit in it???
And then of course, join local orgs (as i have) to protest wars and imperialist actions (as i have). You literally aknowledged that voting doesn't matter so why do you are you looking for so many excuses to vote for a war criminal?
Imagine thinking that something as inconsequential as not voting absolves your complicity.
imagine thinking voting for the man who put millions of black people in prison and got rid of their voting rights is "helping" more than actually doing prison abolition work
I didn't make that comparison, nor will I imagine doing so.
Okay so you're doing less than me but still telling me I'm not doing enough for no reason then???
Where did I tell you that you aren't doing enough? Calm down and go read again because I didn't.
your said not voting doesn't absolve my "complicity" in....not voting for a war criminal I guess. Do you stand by that? that voting for a war criminal makes you less complicit than not voting for one?
Just trying to figure out how doing more activist work than people who vote for war criminals makes me complicit in American imperialism.
If you're an American then you're complicit and not voting doesn't change that fact.
Whatever else you do is irrelevant to the narrow point about abstention that I've made.
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