• WhyEssEff [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    It’s self-sabotage is what it is. Unless they are actively espousing reactionary rhetoric under the guise of leftism, you take what you can fucking get. I think Hasan is a fucking lib half the time on his foreign policy takes but if he were gone then the most prominent left-claiming streamer would be Vaush, and that’s an entirely worse image problem for the left to have compared to Hasan’s. And at a certain point it just becomes an entirely exclusionary place where we just entirely reject the pipeline itself for the purity of the clique.

    • asaharyev [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I suppose I don't need to remind you that V*ushposting is :haram:

      The real answer is that nothing happens on fucking twitch, and we need to be organizing in out communities, but I really don't think it's unreasonable to criticize someone for taking a private jet to Coachella and calling themselves a socialist.

      • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah at the end of the day I’m critiquing the critique. The purchase is cringe. The amount of effort spent criticizing the purchase is insane and unproductive. There is so much that could have been done with just a fraction of the effort and time that some leftists spend getting really mad at Hasan. It just doesn’t accomplish anything.

    • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yes, having an outed pedophile cryptofash with an audience of actual neo-Nazis represent the left is going to cause an image problem.

      • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        :fedposting:

        Edit: come on, your statement in isolation from this minute meaningless drama is unironically the most fed shit I’ve seen on this site.

          • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Hasan is fucking cringe but that doesn’t mean you should be fucking sabotaging your fucking ideological pipeline! :matt-jokerfied: We’re so fucking useless tactically, holy shit! Do you ever wonder why the right doesn’t spend this much energy calling Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin slurs even though they express characteristics and sometimes views that are not in line with their own ideology? Do you ever wonder why the right is so fucking popular in America? The algorithm can only carry so much weight! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE!

            I’m so tired. We’re never going to build socialism if we keep purity testing every single fucking person who claims to be a leftist. We’re either being COINTELPROd or we’re literally COINTELPROing ourselves. I can’t tell any more. Clique behavior. I’m going to bed, I cannot get into this shit anymore, this is too much effort to spend on something so minute as streamer drama, but god fucking damn.

            • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              There's been some genuine :cia: activities within left circles. Couldn't tell you the extent of it because it's impossible to know for sure, but there have been enough instances of prominent 'left' figures working for the state that I feel comfortable in saying they're at least in the periphery.

                • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  you didn't even look into it. this is from years ago when he was broke like all of us. it's controversy bait first of all. and then secondly, I literally do not give a singular ounce of a shit what people do with their money, the issue with capitalism is not doing dumb stuff is bad but that a class system of owners and workers is unequal and mathematically built to implode cyclically. idc if it's a bad look or w/e, leftists will never get a good look even if we act like monks, so fuck it who cares

                • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Western brain in full force lol.

                  I've never even been on an airplane lol. Then we have people here acting like flying on private jets is normal.

                  De-growth is really going to fuck these peoples conceptions of "normal" up.

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              Twitch streamers aren't a pipeline log off and actually talk to people come on.

              Online doesn't really matter. The right is popular online in America because they're the cultural default and popular everywhere.

              • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                This is the exact same shit as saying Ben Shapiro isn’t a pipeline. We live in a digital world and we need digital infrastructure. Not everything is solved by a nebulous “touching grass”.

                I feel like people say this to just excuse the fact that we’ve allowed the alt-right to use the internet to a major radicalization advantage. Almost every modern Nazi got there through 4chan. Online matters less but online still matters.