Maybe I'm totally wrong, but maybe organisations need to have kinda conservative rules like "people need to date outside the org". Obviously I don't want to persecute those who develop feelings and such, but it seems to lead to lots of problems.
I read about these bizarre petty vendettas people in these orgs have and I feel like a space alien. Like I'm something of an outlier in that it takes quite a lot for me to take anything personally or hold a grudge these days, but I'm still shocked how half of these people can even maintain functional interpersonal relationships, much less a functional organization.
Theres a very real problem on the modern left with mental illness and being incapable of keeping a lid on such problems in any setting. I don't mean that to be prejudiced against the neurodivergent (I have my own problems), I'm just being blunt. Social media certainly makes these problems a million times worse. But people in their 20s apparently being completely incapable of having adult conversations with each other without plotting revenge the moment they're out of earshot, or organizing whisper campaigns and literal struggle sessions over someone who had a bad take, is a whole different level of bewildering to me.
Kinda different perspective, but I've always noticed that people (not necessarily the left) lack the emotional maturity to openly disagree, argue, and admit mistakes. Like I kinda wish people have themselves the space to argue one on one once in a while. I'm sure that social media doesn't help this.
I had a lib vegan group die recently, and your small circle, Survivor analogy fits perfectly. I opened up one on one to another member who I didn't like the way they treated me, and the next week like half the group didn't talk to me. :shrug-outta-hecks:
lack the emotional maturity to openly disagree, argue, and admit mistakes.
I don't want to be the "against cancel culture" guy, because rapists and sexpests deserve to be [REDACTED]. But the twitter brain has made people way to quick to cancel people for having a take they disagree with. I'm talking about the people who say "You're not a real leftist if..." then talk about some niche rant.
people in their 20s apparently being completely incapable of having adult conversations
I wish this was limited to people in their 20s. If you want to see completely deranged X'ers and Boomers, incapable of normal human conversation, they're a dime a dozen at a typical municipal council meeting.
Excellent. At the risk of derailing this conversation but you can see this writ large in the reification and transformation of sex dysphoria not merely from a delusional state of mind that causes extreme suffering in some instances – to an outright celebration of its inversion of biological fact and normality. ‘Trans’ is now the most ‘special’ of ‘special’ states of existence on the planet. Stick that special label on yourself and you are excused and feted for limitless self indulgence and extreme selfishness towards others in equal measure.
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And are given a free pass to viciously abuse women who dare to state that sex matters. A men’s rights movement that the left have embraced as progressive. Also a movement causing untold, irreversible harm to vulnerable young people particularly those with autistic traits.
Maybe you shouldn't link directly to transphobic news sources with no cw. Im reconsidering taking DeBoer seriously if he's willing to post next to this shit
cw: vile transphobia
Maybe the answer is training. We already do sexual harassment and stuff, but now we need to add "how not to split the party over petty shit". If that fails, purges.
The most awkward part is that sometimes those people are way older than everyone else, too. It sucks having to have a convo with someone 20-30 years older than you about why jumping into recruiting meetings to passive-aggressively harass a group of people that they're annoyed at isn't cool.
So someone proposed this on a DSA forum once and someone else pointed out “our org is mostly young people with sexually libertine values and half our events are like cocktail mixers and adult laser tag. I don’t really think you can reasonably expect people not to get horny in these circumstances.”
I mean, if you’re capable of having sexual relations with people without being a fucking immature creep yeah I think an org isn’t a terrible place to meet like minded people. Shouldn’t be WHY you’re getting organized but it may be a happy side effect.
But as this thread indicates that not very many people.
Idk about other branches but I remember when I was getting out of college all the DSA events were shit like going to bowling alleys or like karaoke night. Yah know shit were hot young people like to hit on each other.
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but maybe organisations need to have kinda conservative rules like "people need to date outside the org". Obviously I don't want to persecute those who develop feelings and such, but it seems to lead to lots of problems.
I read about these bizarre petty vendettas people in these orgs have and I feel like a space alien. Like I'm something of an outlier in that it takes quite a lot for me to take anything personally or hold a grudge these days, but I'm still shocked how half of these people can even maintain functional interpersonal relationships, much less a functional organization.
Theres a very real problem on the modern left with mental illness and being incapable of keeping a lid on such problems in any setting. I don't mean that to be prejudiced against the neurodivergent (I have my own problems), I'm just being blunt. Social media certainly makes these problems a million times worse. But people in their 20s apparently being completely incapable of having adult conversations with each other without plotting revenge the moment they're out of earshot, or organizing whisper campaigns and literal struggle sessions over someone who had a bad take, is a whole different level of bewildering to me.
Kinda different perspective, but I've always noticed that people (not necessarily the left) lack the emotional maturity to openly disagree, argue, and admit mistakes. Like I kinda wish people have themselves the space to argue one on one once in a while. I'm sure that social media doesn't help this.
I had a lib vegan group die recently, and your small circle, Survivor analogy fits perfectly. I opened up one on one to another member who I didn't like the way they treated me, and the next week like half the group didn't talk to me. :shrug-outta-hecks:
I don't want to be the "against cancel culture" guy, because rapists and sexpests deserve to be [REDACTED]. But the twitter brain has made people way to quick to cancel people for having a take they disagree with. I'm talking about the people who say "You're not a real leftist if..." then talk about some niche rant.
I wish this was limited to people in their 20s. If you want to see completely deranged X'ers and Boomers, incapable of normal human conversation, they're a dime a dozen at a typical municipal council meeting.
They can't, that's the problem.
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Interesting comments on your article.
cw:terf shit
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Excellent. At the risk of derailing this conversation but you can see this writ large in the reification and transformation of sex dysphoria not merely from a delusional state of mind that causes extreme suffering in some instances – to an outright celebration of its inversion of biological fact and normality. ‘Trans’ is now the most ‘special’ of ‘special’ states of existence on the planet. Stick that special label on yourself and you are excused and feted for limitless self indulgence and extreme selfishness towards others in equal measure.
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Maybe you shouldn't link directly to transphobic news sources with no cw. Im reconsidering taking DeBoer seriously if he's willing to post next to this shit cw: vile transphobia
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https://unherd.com/2022/05/you-cant-be-born-in-the-wrong-body/
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it isn't even the dating, it's that a chunk of people in these spaces have the emotional maturity of a fucking toddler
Maybe the answer is training. We already do sexual harassment and stuff, but now we need to add "how not to split the party over petty shit". If that fails, purges.
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The most awkward part is that sometimes those people are way older than everyone else, too. It sucks having to have a convo with someone 20-30 years older than you about why jumping into recruiting meetings to passive-aggressively harass a group of people that they're annoyed at isn't cool.
So someone proposed this on a DSA forum once and someone else pointed out “our org is mostly young people with sexually libertine values and half our events are like cocktail mixers and adult laser tag. I don’t really think you can reasonably expect people not to get horny in these circumstances.”
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Hexbears: "how do I get gf, plz?" :powercry-1:
NomadicWarMachine: "join an org, bro" :cool-bean:
I mean, if you’re capable of having sexual relations with people without being a fucking immature creep yeah I think an org isn’t a terrible place to meet like minded people. Shouldn’t be WHY you’re getting organized but it may be a happy side effect.
But as this thread indicates that not very many people.
Sorry, was just poking fun at the idea. Sometimes I forget that I'm not as funny as I think I am. 😅
Idk about other branches but I remember when I was getting out of college all the DSA events were shit like going to bowling alleys or like karaoke night. Yah know shit were hot young people like to hit on each other.
Old people: "How do we stop the kids from bangin'?"
And thus abstinence was invented for yet another generation to flaunt.