• Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I think it's less about being gay and more about being unable to pander to the "american family".

    As an outsider this is really significant compared to other countries. So much of the presidency revolves around the president, his wife, his kids and his dog/s. This is just not the case in Britain at all, or in much of Europe. You will barely see the partner of whoever is running for Prime Minister and it would be considered very improper to parade the children around as a political prop.

    A gay person running for president simply can't easily do many of the rituals that are part of The Presidency™.

    People will say it's homophobia but it's more than that. I don't think a straight single person could win the American presidency and for the same reasons that a gay person couldn't.

    • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I think a gay married Christian has a better chance of being president than a hetero atheist bachelor. Odds are slim for either of them, but I give a slight edge to the gay Christian.

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The problem is, for a very large number of those American Christians, being gay means you cannot be a Christian, so they will disregard that aspect if not be outright indignant of it.

        • HauntedBySpectacle [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Would most of those people actually consider voting for the Democratic nominee anyway though? Maybe not ten years ago, but these days I'd think the vast majority of Christians unwilling to vote for a gay candidate would be Republicans regardless.

          • star_wraith [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Definitely not, which is why it was a bad strategy in the first place.

    • Dingus_Khan [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It's so persistent, and has been for such a long time. James Buchanan, the president before Lincoln, was never married and always described as a bachelor. Because apparently it's impossible to not have a first lady, Buchanan designated his niece Harriet Johnston as his first lady

    • YuriMihalkov [comrade/them,any]
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      2 years ago

      French presidents don't really lean on the family life angle but it definitely seems like there's some weird spectacle going on there (maybe unintentional from the perspective of the politicians)

      between Sarcozy and his wife who was a model, and then Macron and his teacherwife

      and then I just think of Berlusconi lol

    • Saleriy [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Also apparently short guys do generally get less support than taller ones.

    • an_engel_on_earth [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      honestly I didn't think of it that way but ur right, America could never have a situation like in the Netherlands where the prime Minister is basically ace

    • Dangitbobby [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      to parade the children around as a political prop.

      The media would like very much to stop reporting about Hunter Biden altogether.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      I think it’s less about being gay and more about being unable to pander to the “american family”.

      Half the reason Mayo Pete ran for President was that he'd reached a dead end in Indiana under his current label of politics.

      He couldn't run as a corporate technocrat waving the LGBT flag because the first was worthless outside neoliberal circles and the second only pissed off majority conservatives.

      Since he wasn't any kind of actual populist, with policies people might like or a career lay voters gave a fuck about, he had no way to run for anything above Mayor in a city that voted Blue No Matter Who.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The claim wasn't even that, it was that he said that a woman would have more difficulty since it's a sexist country and trump would weaponize it. Then libs had to pretend this is somehow not true.

      • Dangitbobby [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Then after Hillary lost, it was 100% true all the way and that was why she lost.

        Anything but having to face the agonizing truth: she is a complete piece of shit, and the only possible candidate that Trump could have beaten.

  • bananon [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    :mlk-yes: I have a dream that little gay and short kids will not be judged by their probability of becoming president, but by their ability to light up a school.

  • PZK [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It would be fun to weaponize this against libs at every turn to tell them Obama is a bigot.

    • Dangitbobby [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I tried posting Joe Biden's extremely racist speech in 1994 in favor of the crime bill that put millions of black men in prison. It went over like a lead balloon. See yourself: https://youtu.be/J5xyaufCEY0

      Just try to get them to watch videos of him sniffing and groping children. That's totally normal behavior. But when Trump takes 2 scoops of ice cream...

      • PZK [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I actually got in an argument with a family member leading up to the 2020 election when I told them I was not going to vote for Biden. She basically had a meltdown that I owed her my vote. I told her that he literally gropes and sniffs children and she claimed it was affection for his kids. She also was totally dismissive of the Tara Reade accusations despite being a me too victim herself, which was kind of wild she let things slide for political advantage.

        I kind of realized that liberals were no different from conservatives when it came to divorcing themselves from reality. I basically didn't argue much further because I can't reason with people who are unreasonable. I saw the same insanity that intensely grips republicans. When it comes to confronting the left, liberals turn into gamers just as much as republicans.

        No I don't mean that kind. :gamer-gulag:

        • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Liberals are conservatives and knowing that helps make the world make more sense.

          • PZK [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I am aware of this now, leading up to the election I was still learning. I now know that liberals are conservatives and the republicans are regressives.

        • duderium [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          My lib dad got violent a few months ago when I described Biden as a pedophile. He actually threw a chair against a wall and screamed in my face so I had to wipe the spit off. We took a break from discussing politics for awhile after that. In the early days of Biden’s presidency my family was also insisting that I see a therapist because I think Biden sucks. I think they still support him now but definitely without the same enthusiasm.

    • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They don't care. They don't care that Joe Biden is a documented racist and creep and probably worse. Obama is handsome and well-spoken and for :LIB: s that's enough to be a saint.

    • crime [she/her, any]
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      2 years ago

      I've been telling them that he's a homophobe since 08 , they care as much as you'd expect they would

    • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I remember when the book came out where he described pretending to care about leftist causes to get with women. My friend was bothered for all of that one day and that was it.

  • Cherufe [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I dream of a world where gay and short people can too be in charge of an administration commiting war crimes

  • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Obama pretending to be into Marx to seduce a girl only instead he's pretending to be into Cum Town to get close to his dorm drug dealer.