Links and Stuff
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to the above list if you can, thank you.
Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)
Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Yesterday's discussion post.
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there's a decent amount of nostalgic good-will for the soviet union under stalin in china, you can see it most obviously in nationalist circles like earlier episodes of year hare affair.
khrushchev ruined everything though. the narrative is that he was basically trying to IMF the chinese by refusing to complete technology transfers started under stalin (and by installing permanent soviet technological 'advisor' positions in china) so as to lock them out of higher value production processes and turn china into a giant banana republic for the soviet union. maintaining what was already transferred during/after the sino-soviet split was a big factor in the whole 'gommunist chyna 100 million dead' under mao, as the economy was still largely agrarian and so a disproportionate amount of production (read: grain) had to be appropriated and turned into capital (sold) to support the more capital intensive higher value processes.
this is where the socialist imperialist accusations come from, corn boy was kinda an asshole.
on a side note, the positions have sort of reversed as of the present and i really hope the current chinese leaders learn from history and don't try anything quite so fucking cringe as what corn boy pulled.
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The first man to be owned so hard he turned into a corncob
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he tried to grow a lot of corn at great cost because... reasons, and failed spectacularly
Probably cultural exchanges under the honeymoon phase. It is not infrequent for my grand parents and parents to know about russian literature and sing soviet songs
Also there are also a certain respect for the Russian for taking initiative (we sometime call the russian our big brother, ironic or unironic) and China is learning from its mistakes to build our own society
There’s a lot more to Russian culture than homophobia, this is verging on shitlibbery
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The shitlibbery is reducing an an entire complex nation and people with a robust history and culture as “just homophobes” as if that’s their only cultural export. This is the same shit libs do with Afghanistan, Syria, Iran to justify invading “evil theocracies”
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Wonder why Chinese might be wary of Westerners pushing LGBT on them when you are openly demonizing an anti-imperialist bloc forming because it’s “homophobic”.
Like if you don’t want LGBT rights to be associated with imperialism, stop combining these arguments together yourself
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Nope I never said gays were a western conspiracy. I said that chauvinists like you use western progressive stances on social issues to justify imperialism and to smear anti-imperialist states
I’m more than happy to separate LGBT issues and imperialism as separate unconnected topics of discussion. It’s you who commented in an effort to fuse them together. I never “ceded the ground”, you did.
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As a Syrian refugee of woke imperialist war with dead cousins… I was told to be nice today.
The demonizing comes from the immediate jump to accusations of bigotry. flattening of complex cultures and context. Just because the word Russia was mentioned.
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I get hot and bothered by casual chauvinism and western arrogance. Using what they took from us to bludgeon us. Our societies were more socially progressive until they were destroyed by the west. All progressive and secular movements in the Middle East crushed by western funded fascists. The gains of the USSR lost. Now liberals mock us and claim moral superiority because you beat us back 100 years in development
You could get some perspective about the primary contradiction and your place in empire
Code of conduct says the following:
If you got a bone to pick with someone, try to do it constructively and civilly.
I will not
stop being an annoying little shit.
I’ll stop being annoying if they stop being chauvinists. Deal?
Be civil or ban.
Is there a rule against being chauvinist or ban?
Code of conduct says no, but it does say the following:
If you got a bone to pick with someone, try to do it constructively and civilly. This website isn't a political party where's Mao's "Combat Liberalism" is to be applied, it's a forum for socialists to shoot shit and talk.
Well we shall agree to disagree then, I feel that imperialism narratives and western chauvinism are worse than being rude and bullying. You feel the inverse. One day it’s going to come to a head and you will ban me for being mean.
I normally like your stuff dude, just stop being a dick. If you can at least agree to take that under advisement we'll call this event settled.
Alright sorry for being mean today. I’ll try to be nicer :)
sounds good bro, keep fighting the good fight against dum dum westies :kim-peace:
Also try to limit the commenting multiple replies, I suggest tacking on whatever you wanted to say with an edit of the initial comment. That's just to keep a more coherent and linear flow of conversation going instead of arguing along 5 different threads with the same person over 20 different topics.
you warn me against double replies, yet you do so within a double reply. Curious. :very-intelligent:
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No.
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All I know is you hear ‘China and Russia developing friendly cultural alliance’ and you immediately think “this is the homophobia of the evil East”.
Read the whole comment. They see Russia as a warrior nation willing to fight against NATO, they see it as having beautiful people and culture, desirable tourist destinations and good higher education. Nothing about admiring their homophobia.
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Oh so your “China and Russia are reactionary homophobes” smear didn’t work so you are pivoting to something else. Stay on topic russophobe
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If you hear the good news that 2 anti-imperialist nations are becoming more friendly and immediately start fretting about how it’s only because they are reactionary (without and against all evidence), that is a deep seated chauvinistic belief that needs to be rooted out
Sorry I wasn’t polite enough when dealing with imperialist Russophobia that sounds like it’s coming out of the mouth of Hilary Clinton
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I’m being appropriately sensitive to disguised liberal imperialist narratives being parroted by “leftists” in the west, famous for being chauvinists
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Debatebro is when someone recognizes an imperialist narrative and points it out. The more they do this, the more of a debatebro they are.
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Maybe next time they won’t jump immediately to anti-Chinese and anti-Russian condescending chauvinist statements if they remember getting chewed out for it.
This is effectively just tone policing, tone policing on behalf of liberal imperialism. Smh
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What’s important here is that you only respond to tone like a dog, and that you think anyone pointing out imperialism rudely is an idiot
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I’m not omniscient and omnipresent, I can only call out the horseshit I see. I didn’t see that thread.
I hold my point that if the first thing your mind jumps to when you hear the words “Russian Culture” is homophobia, and you have so little faith in the Chinese populace’s revolutionary potential, that you fret over whether the evil Russians are corrupting them, that idea stems from very chauvinist roots.
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I just find it quite interesting that you all are much more concerned over my rudeness than over a so-called “cringe take” exhibiting imperialist and chauvinist tendencies. Where are your priorities?
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I’m glad you agree, the first I’m hearing of it instead of insipid tone policing on their behalf. Why didn’t you just say that earlier?
Love to have condescending westerners always poo poo me and tell me I’m overreacting whenever I point out their shitty chauvinist underlying their logic. You are saying this to a displaced Syrian. Would you tell a black victim of racially insensitive comments that they are overreacting, and even if they are right they shouldn’t be so rude about it? I have all the right in the world to shit on western chauvinism, it destroyed my home nation and my family.
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But interestingly you only were replying to me and attacking me, not them. Here’s a deal, I’ll self crit if you all do too
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I have no patience for people who immediately pivot to smearing non-western culture as barbaric to attack the developing friendly alliance of two anti-imperialist states.
This is simple minded bigotry against Russians and Chinese, treating them as stupid children who are reactionaries and need to be taught by the enlightened west. It happens in left-ish places constantly as a way to derail anti-imperialist support.
Any nation that is the victim of economic colonization and looting will be less developed and will likely be more socially reactionary - as social ideas emerge from economic realities. The west loots and plunders these nations, makes their populations ignorant and destitute and then uses that ignorance as casus belli to further attack and subjugate them as “barbarians”.
It’s the same shit they have done to the Middle East for decades, no good communist or anti-imperialist should fall for it. They only do because of baked in Russophobia and a higher prioritization on social issues than on the primary contradiction of war and imperialism. The Western capitalists have spread far more homophobia and killed far more LGBT individuals than Russia ever has. Anyone upvoting this chauvinist should feel deep shame
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It’s worth noting as well that the USSR was vastly more socially progressive than the west. It was not until the USSR was destroyed and looted, and the people of Russia returned to destitution and ignorance by the west, that homophobic reaction reared its head.
Same goes for Iran. It was much more socially progressive until the west destroyed it.
Now the west claims moral superiority over both and uses its social progressive stances as bludgeons to beat the nations it previously destroyed and made like this.
To ignore this context and immediately jump to “huh I guess the Chinese only like Russian culture because they are both reactionary bigots” without any evidence of that, is an extension of the arrogance of the west
Much like toddlers, small dogs, and annoying debate club nerds.
Hey I’m not the dog here who can only hear tone.
Oh come on shut up.
Okay if the western chauvinist must shut up first
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Clean up your Russophobia chauvinism lib
It's there in the pdf that he upload. Brave, warrior, strong military nation with Soviet nostalgia.
No no it’s their stupid homophobia, those barbarian easterners only agree on that.