There is a lot of the same Zenz talking points in here and a focus on images, but I think the interesting parts of the story are the written docs
I have no reason to think that any of the documents are fake, nor any of the photographs. But why would someone send them to Adrian Zenz, someone who does not even read or speak Chinese?
The photographs don't show anything particularly bad, in my opinion. Sure there are people detained for re-education, lots, even. China has never claimed this was a voluntary school, it was always framed as detention and re-education. Of course there are going to be armed guards. I don't see any evidence of excessive violence or even or mass incarceration. I see 2,500 detainees.
What does concern me is the presumably authentic reasons for detention, as some of them seem harsher than they need to be. Like 10 years for reading scripture - that actually does seem like something worth reporting on. That may be purposely mistranslated or incorrect, but I think it's not.
The other piece is the shoot-to-kill order in the documents. I assume that's either a lie or mistranslated on purpose.
Is there anyone here who can read Chinese interested in looking into any of the written document claims? Or provide context?
I seriously doubt someone is actually kept in prison for 10 years for reading scripture, especially since there are a lot of state-supported mosques in China and the source for this is a nutcase who believes God sent him on a crusade against the country. :zenz:
Was originally going to write a comment about how they used a variant of the character “将” not used in the mainland and the image for "shoot to kill" in the report is obviously digital text photoshopped to look like a scanned document.
Then I clicked around and found the "original text" they mentioned. It;s just a word document so it was digital to begin with.
5, If student does not listen to the urging of armed police officers, the armed police officer is allowed to fire warning shot. If student does not listen to disuasion and continue to escalate, escape or attempt to take firearms by force, armed police officer should shoot to kill.
Can't find anything on 10 years for reading scripture. Assuming it is real and I have to guess, scripture here refers to terrorist materials since Islam and the study of Islamic scripture is not restricted in China.
Heres at least one thread questioning the legitimacy of the documents based on character inconsistency and seemingly faulty formats being used in the document photos.
There is a lot of the same Zenz talking points in here and a focus on images, but I think the interesting parts of the story are the written docs
I have no reason to think that any of the documents are fake, nor any of the photographs. But why would someone send them to Adrian Zenz, someone who does not even read or speak Chinese?
The photographs don't show anything particularly bad, in my opinion. Sure there are people detained for re-education, lots, even. China has never claimed this was a voluntary school, it was always framed as detention and re-education. Of course there are going to be armed guards. I don't see any evidence of excessive violence or even or mass incarceration. I see 2,500 detainees.
What does concern me is the presumably authentic reasons for detention, as some of them seem harsher than they need to be. Like 10 years for reading scripture - that actually does seem like something worth reporting on. That may be purposely mistranslated or incorrect, but I think it's not.
The other piece is the shoot-to-kill order in the documents. I assume that's either a lie or mistranslated on purpose.
Is there anyone here who can read Chinese interested in looking into any of the written document claims? Or provide context?
I seriously doubt someone is actually kept in prison for 10 years for reading scripture, especially since there are a lot of state-supported mosques in China and the source for this is a nutcase who believes God sent him on a crusade against the country. :zenz:
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Was originally going to write a comment about how they used a variant of the character “将” not used in the mainland and the image for "shoot to kill" in the report is obviously digital text photoshopped to look like a scanned document.
Then I clicked around and found the "original text" they mentioned. It;s just a word document so it was digital to begin with.
The original text is:
Which translates to:
Can't find anything on 10 years for reading scripture. Assuming it is real and I have to guess, scripture here refers to terrorist materials since Islam and the study of Islamic scripture is not restricted in China.
This is all fake. There's no reason for them to shoot people for reading a book. They wouldn't even do it if it were a terrorist instruction manual.
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My thoughts went to the cult nutters like Falun Gong
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https://twitter.com/Cinqscories/status/1529035481203154945
Heres at least one thread questioning the legitimacy of the documents based on character inconsistency and seemingly faulty formats being used in the document photos.
Thanks this is interesting. I find the switch between Latin numerals and Chinese numbers in the bullet points suspicious as well.
The rumbling you hear is every subscriber to r/atheism rushing to file for membership in the Chinese Communist Party
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I must've heard seeseepee this and seeseepee that from :gamer-gulag:s so many times it's become engraved in my brain
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