Its so bad, its bad for movie standards, its bad for marvel standards. Its such a giant mess, almost every aspect of it just doesnt work.
To start you have every single character quipping like the producers watched it with a timer in one hand. Its like a mandated every 60 second quip break, and every single character needs to get in on it. Theres actually a couple funny lines but wow they would land a lot better if this wasnt so constant.
Then you have the weird meme masculinity with the three spider men? "Hey bro, I love you" "no bro, you have to value yourself bro" like just stop. Save it for one scene or something, read a book any book.
The CGI is bottom of the barrel, its really scraping it. Lighting problems, proportions being way off, cartoon trucks suddenly being in screen, whole thing just looks awful. You cant possibly exaggerate how bad this movie looks, it has no visual soul at all.
It also suffers from video game writing, which is something Ive been noticing more and more in modern movies. Spider man shows up at Dr Stranges and he says "heres your quest spidey! I made you a wrist thing to go collect 6 bad guys, good luck!" Later in the film spider man unpacks a machine in his apartment that "can basically just build anything" dang thats convenient. Build a script.
Anyways I hated it, anyone who feels the need to defend these movies is 12. Theres no other explanation, I cannot believe adults are paying for these movies. I cannot believe this is our art culture from now until climate change wipes us out. 6 years from now theres going to be 1 movie that gets made a year, and itll make 9 billion dollars and cost 12 million to make because theyll use slave cgi assistants on every shot and people on twitter will tell you to shut your brain off.
Eh, the cgi only went full garbo with the lizard, and I assumed that was trying to emulate the early 2010's style. And green goblin with his awful new costume. Other than that, not too bad, although outclassed often by Sam Raimi spider-man. I also found it interesting the big fight on the statue of liberty was pretty similar to the last fight with sandman and venom from spider-man three. That plus the recycled villains kinda indicated Disney new Sam Raimi movies were better and they should just copy them. Also the idea of fixing the villains was very neoliberal. But I liked seeing the actors reprise their roles, so can't complain much.
Also bugged me that dr strange was like "this is all your fault" when he did not explain what the spell would do or how it worked, just went right into it and got mad peter didn't like it that way. It makes sense for his character, he's really bad at thinking things through(literally started his movie texting while driving going 100 mph on a winding road during a storm), but the fact no one else says "hey you aren't at fault this guy should have gotten informed consent" irked me.
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The idea that they could only commit crimes because they were physically wrong, and their flaws were all external. Doc oc was already flawed before he fused with his arms, he was reckless and arrogant. Osborn was a ruthless business man, Eddie Brock was entitled and took advantage of others. Sandman was the only one you could really argue didn't have flaws exacerbated by his powers. His problem was that he was a convict, and he couldn't really get around that with or without powers. Other than that, the villains' flaws all predated their powers, and were just made more immediate by them. Doc oc giving up on his dream and seeing it wasn't going to work was impactful because he overcame his flaws. Osborne's last thoughts being off his son meant he was looking past himself. Brock never overcame his weakness and entitlement, and died with Venom. Yeah he's not breaking into banks as regulaf otto octavius, but just removing the arms takes away from his journey through the film.
Isn't it kind of a thing for Spiderman where the villains are redeemable?
Of his big three baddies (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom) all of them get redemption arcs in various stories, also Black Cat, The Lizard, Prowler, Kraven, Silver Sable, Rocket Racer, I'm pretty sure I read an Electro redemption arc, that weird doctor dude with the bo-staff, uhhhh I'm starting to run out of spiderman villains off the top of my head at this point but I'm pretty sure redeeming the villain is not new territory for spiderman and you could even see this as a return to form
It's not the redeeming, but that they are being forceably redeemed. For the Lizard that makes sense, in the comics he's mostly an animal when transformed so Peter has to decide for him. Electro, however, is just as sentient and in control of himself when electric as he was before. He was not evil because he had powers, he decided to cause chaos once he had them. So Spiderman just taking that away from him and they act their good is stupid. I also don't like how this externalizes all their issues. Like I said before, the Sam Raimi villains had their flaws already; ruthlessness, arrogance, entitlement. Their powers only made them more pronounced.
That's fair, and I haven't seen NWH so i can't make a full comparison anyways.
I just remember when I was much younger gravitating towards Spider-man because it seemed like one of the few major franchises where the bad guys didn't have to be bad guys as the meme goes.
Oh yeah that's totally fair. I don't mind redemption arcs, I just think the ones in NWH kinda suck. Because they aren't arcs, the villains are forcibly cured.
it seems like theres always really weak writing around dr strange, like he has too many possibilities to write any obstacles for.