Edit to clarify: of course we should be 100% for LGBT+ rights. The whole world should be. But instead of allowing the developing world to find their own footing on socially progressive issues, why should us in the developed West dictate how they should approach the issue, and withdraw support of their anti-imperialist stance just because they just weren’t as progressive as us in certain social issues, not withstanding the fact that the much wealthier, much more developed, much “superior” West - and the ones doing the exploitation - weren’t that keen on LGBT+ rights just 30 years ago?
How is sneering down on savage barbarians for not being “progressive” as we loot and destroy these targets of imperialism not Social Imperialism?
You can make this argument about Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq. Should they all be destroyed and looted because they have some reactionary social views? I know you don’t think they should, but does it matter to you at all that your exact line of critique is often employed by social imperialists to justify their crusades?
The reason to cheer for Russia is that they are anti-imperialists and geopolitical allies to all AES.
They destroyed the imperialist coups in Belarus and Kazakhstan. They ended the imperialist coup attempt in Syria. They are reversing the imperialist coup in Ukraine. In all these cases, they are acting in an anti-imperialist manner and I wish them a decisive and crushing victory.
Not just to “end the war sooner” as some pragmatic harm reduction measure. I fully support Russia’s geopolitical policy because it is good and based.
They are allied to China, Vietnam, DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba. All AES benefit from ties with Russia, and Russia does more to materially benefit these nations than the entire collective western left combined.
I'm not saying that developing countries should care about Russia's lgbt right record. I don't expect fucking sudan to give a shit or whatever. I was responding to what seemed like unironic praise for russia simply because westoids don't like russia. We must own the westoids by stanning a highly conservative capitalist country.
I misinterpreted your comment. I'm not shitting on developing countries for not having the best lgbt rights. I'm saying I see a bunch of unironic stanning of russia here
Yes let us impose our superior values on those savages.
You realize if you follow this logic as your heuristic for who to support you will just end up supporting the liberal west and hating the entire developing and colonized world…
my comment is in response to people here unironically stanning russia simply because the state department tells you to hate russia. im not shitting on developing countries.
I unironically stan Russia geopolitically and insofar as it acts as an anti-imperialist agent and an ally of AES. The hidden reactionary anti-imperialist nazbol putinist you pearl clutch over basically don’t exist in any significant number in the western left or this site, and if the western left needs to correct in any direction, it needs to be more pro-Russia and not less
Russia treats LGBT+ people like subhumans so let's not all go "wtf i love russia now"
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Nothing that you said is a reason to cheer for Russia
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Lmao. How is this not Orientalism?
How is sneering down on savage barbarians for not being “progressive” as we loot and destroy these targets of imperialism not Social Imperialism?
You can make this argument about Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq. Should they all be destroyed and looted because they have some reactionary social views? I know you don’t think they should, but does it matter to you at all that your exact line of critique is often employed by social imperialists to justify their crusades?
Looks like the red states (at least) are in a hurry to regress back there
The reason to cheer for Russia is that they are anti-imperialists and geopolitical allies to all AES.
They destroyed the imperialist coups in Belarus and Kazakhstan. They ended the imperialist coup attempt in Syria. They are reversing the imperialist coup in Ukraine. In all these cases, they are acting in an anti-imperialist manner and I wish them a decisive and crushing victory.
Not just to “end the war sooner” as some pragmatic harm reduction measure. I fully support Russia’s geopolitical policy because it is good and based.
They are allied to China, Vietnam, DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba. All AES benefit from ties with Russia, and Russia does more to materially benefit these nations than the entire collective western left combined.
I'm not saying that developing countries should care about Russia's lgbt right record. I don't expect fucking sudan to give a shit or whatever. I was responding to what seemed like unironic praise for russia simply because westoids don't like russia. We must own the westoids by stanning a highly conservative capitalist country.
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True
This is chauvinism. Who cares?
Are you actively in Russia right now? How would you impose better LGBT rights in Russia right now?
It is not our place to dictate the morals of the world.
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I misinterpreted your comment. I'm not shitting on developing countries for not having the best lgbt rights. I'm saying I see a bunch of unironic stanning of russia here
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Yes let us impose our superior values on those savages.
You realize if you follow this logic as your heuristic for who to support you will just end up supporting the liberal west and hating the entire developing and colonized world…
my comment is in response to people here unironically stanning russia simply because the state department tells you to hate russia. im not shitting on developing countries.
I unironically stan Russia geopolitically and insofar as it acts as an anti-imperialist agent and an ally of AES. The hidden reactionary anti-imperialist nazbol putinist you pearl clutch over basically don’t exist in any significant number in the western left or this site, and if the western left needs to correct in any direction, it needs to be more pro-Russia and not less
ok