"Democracies" :doubt:
Clearly it's because our speech is freer so we can learn the horrors of communist authoritianism when the rest of the world cannot
Also on a more serious note the article conflates positive attitudes towads Russia with poll data of people not wanting their country to entirely cut economic ties to Russia. Those aren't the same thing at all.
They also refer to Venezuela as being "propped up by Russia"
lol
Negative perceptions of China are not as widespread as for Russia. British respondents were the most likely to want to cut economic ties with China if it invaded Taiwan.
Is there some way to put an entire country on suicide watch?
UK about to yeet itself back to a 14th century standard of living.
Most of the respondents don't know the consequence. If you tell them the effect of cutting economic ties, most of them wouldn't answer "want to cut".
One of the few positive general public trends here in Greece is that for one reason or another people are still more distrustfull and anti-Nato/anti-EU/anti-US/anti-west than any other "european liberal democracy" and this was actualy true even before the financial crisis and even before the Kosovo/Yugoslav intervention (tho strongly impacted by it). If remember correctly public sentiment regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was 90%+ against and similar high 80% for any Nato intervention since (Syria and Libya etc). The average person will 50% of the tme give you a pretty solid anti-imperialist line and even analysis regarding modern western and US interventions
it helps that the rest of Europe has been doing imperialism on Greece since they got independence. you get a different perspective of those liberal institutions when they are turned against you
Sure but mostly in the east right? Are they possible to survey right now?
There are plenty of anti-Russian ethnic Russians and pro-Russian Ukrainians in Ukraine. There is a significant correlation with spoken language, but a lot of it boils down to "how shit was Ukrainian state to you".
Poland hating Russia more than Ukraine feels weird.
Not really considering Polish-Soviet War and the M-R pact. Not to mention being a vassal state to the Tsar before that, as someone else pointed. Lotta bad blood. And before people are like "Those first two things are USSR and not Russia" yes, but that's not how most people see it. People see RSFSR as the head of the USSR and view the USSR as a Russian project rather than an international socialist project. Because a great many people still think in terms of nationality more than they think in terms of class. And while Ukraine might have had nazi collaborators who killed poles in WW2 it's easy for the Polish to view that less as the actions of the ukrainian state than to view it as the actions of pricks who were enabled by the third reich. These days Poland is a NATO member and simply hates Russia because it is outside the NATO bloc. It's part of a rival hegemony and that's reason enough to hate it. Pile on the historical baggage on top of that and it's easy to see.
polish people are kinda insecure about their history of independence/not independence. Russian Tsardom was occupying Poland for a long time, and many Poles now a days don't consider the Polish People's Republic to be an real independent state and consider Russia to be "their oppressive overlord" historically. Even more so then the nationalist Ukrainians imo.
they're kind of like the Texas of Europe so it makes sense that they claim to hate Russia more lol
Poland in the 40s didn't really have a homegrown communist movement as I understand it, like Germany and other eastern block countries did. To my limited knowledge, socialism was imposed by the Soviets.
Anybody else hear a big juicy fart when they hear the words western liberal democracies
I just see a British man laughing while Irish or Indian people starve to death.
Further confirmation that while western propaganda makes westerners froth at the mouth for violence against whomever is the bad guy of the month, it only works on westerners. Nobody outside the west is buying the Uyghur gEnOcIdE bullshit, just like nobody is buying the Putler bullshit
Russia treats LGBT+ people like subhumans so let's not all go "wtf i love russia now"
Nothing that you said is a reason to cheer for Russia
Edit to clarify: of course we should be 100% for LGBT+ rights. The whole world should be. But instead of allowing the developing world to find their own footing on socially progressive issues, why should us in the developed West dictate how they should approach the issue, and withdraw support of their anti-imperialist stance just because they just weren’t as progressive as us in certain social issues, not withstanding the fact that the much wealthier, much more developed, much “superior” West - and the ones doing the exploitation - weren’t that keen on LGBT+ rights just 30 years ago?
Lmao. How is this not Orientalism?
How is sneering down on savage barbarians for not being “progressive” as we loot and destroy these targets of imperialism not Social Imperialism?
You can make this argument about Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq. Should they all be destroyed and looted because they have some reactionary social views? I know you don’t think they should, but does it matter to you at all that your exact line of critique is often employed by social imperialists to justify their crusades?
We were just as bad on LGBT+ rights merely a generation ago.
Looks like the red states (at least) are in a hurry to regress back there
The reason to cheer for Russia is that they are anti-imperialists and geopolitical allies to all AES.
They destroyed the imperialist coups in Belarus and Kazakhstan. They ended the imperialist coup attempt in Syria. They are reversing the imperialist coup in Ukraine. In all these cases, they are acting in an anti-imperialist manner and I wish them a decisive and crushing victory.
Not just to “end the war sooner” as some pragmatic harm reduction measure. I fully support Russia’s geopolitical policy because it is good and based.
They are allied to China, Vietnam, DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba. All AES benefit from ties with Russia, and Russia does more to materially benefit these nations than the entire collective western left combined.
I'm not saying that developing countries should care about Russia's lgbt right record. I don't expect fucking sudan to give a shit or whatever. I was responding to what seemed like unironic praise for russia simply because westoids don't like russia. We must own the westoids by stanning a highly conservative capitalist country.
This is chauvinism. Who cares?
Are you actively in Russia right now? How would you impose better LGBT rights in Russia right now?
It is not our place to dictate the morals of the world.
I misinterpreted your comment. I'm not shitting on developing countries for not having the best lgbt rights. I'm saying I see a bunch of unironic stanning of russia here
Yes let us impose our superior values on those savages.
You realize if you follow this logic as your heuristic for who to support you will just end up supporting the liberal west and hating the entire developing and colonized world…
my comment is in response to people here unironically stanning russia simply because the state department tells you to hate russia. im not shitting on developing countries.
I unironically stan Russia geopolitically and insofar as it acts as an anti-imperialist agent and an ally of AES. The hidden reactionary anti-imperialist nazbol putinist you pearl clutch over basically don’t exist in any significant number in the western left or this site, and if the western left needs to correct in any direction, it needs to be more pro-Russia and not less
People where I live don't really have any solid opinions outside of those who spend all their time on Anglo forums like Reddit or worship the US.
I skimmed this article but could not find a link to the survey they are reporting on, does anyone have it handy?
The article is referencing the Democracy Perception Index, with full results at the bottom of the page.
"Countries surveyed include ...South Africa..."
So they prioritized the folks who are :lmayo: like a neutron star, probably enough to create nuclear fusion and accelerate the fusion power technology by 200 years, also suffering from lethal doses of :cope: because Apartheid ended on one end of the continent.
