DEATH to AMERICA

  • duderium [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The main contradiction in global capitalism is imperialism. Patriotism in the global south may undermine imperialism and is therefore okay. Patriotism in the global north strengthens imperialism and is therefore far from okay.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      No the Anarchists are right it's just that their methodology for getting to a stateless society is extremely difficult to implement to the point of being infeasible.

    • Patriot [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      the ONLY group I am PROUD to salute is the WORKERS of the WORLD

      :07:

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Context matters tho. Like, I'm not going to judge a Vietnamese person for being a patriot if their patriotism is based on the fact that their country broke the shackles of colonialism and fought off multiple imperialist invaders. That's not in any way comparable to some dipshit from the US being a patriot because burgers, trucks, and fReEdOm.

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Even if we take this characterisation at face value,i n this context patriotism, nations and States are a disease in the same way viruses that can kill cancer cells are . The cancer that is colonialism and imperialism has never historicaly been comprehensively defeated by a people at large enough scales and long enough durations without a patriotic/national liberation character and without utilization of statist structures.

      Well irl we do have alternative treatments that have shown that they work against the cancers some virus also kill but in this parallel there has only been the "disease" that has worked

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Yup, same with anything that has "traditional" in the name (Traditionalist Worker Party was a US neo-nazi group). Always gotta be on the lookout for those fucking strasserists

  • spring_rabbit [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Browderism worked out great last time. It definitely didn't just alienate international comrades and lead socialists to support insane shit like the internment of Japanese-Americans.

    Love to call myself anti-imperialist and communist while waving the flag of the strongest anti-communist empire in history.

  • Socialism_enjoyer [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    They’re definitely patriots, and a few of them might be socialists, but if you say the things that fascists say,* you’re a fascist.

    *like that trump is a working class leader and that homosexuality is decadence.

    • Patriot [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      i am SICK and TIRED of STRAIGHTS and their CIA-HET bourgeoisie DECADENCE

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      One thing I have never been able to hammer through to the libs is that it does not matter whether someone self-identifies as a Nazi. You have to examine peoples beliefs and identify Nazis when you encounter them. "I'm not actually a Nazi I just behave exactly like one!" is the kind of shit that would trick a two year old.

  • silent_water [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    they literally took the same name, who would expect them to be any different?

  • FidelCastro [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Unlocking to comment that this is a good take in regards to countries in the imperial core.

    Relocking because a couple of you need to stop watching Maupin videos.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Maybe if I become a fascist, I can trick a fascist into liking a redistributive policy while their politics remain otherwise unchanged. Maybe they won't immediately think I'm a socialist of some kind and kill me. I can say "but I'm just as patriotic as you" and show them my American flag hammer and sickle if they even try.

  • Soap_Owl [any]
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    3 years ago

    It is like socialism for your nation. I wonder if there is already a name for that.

    • Patriot [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      i am ONLY a TRUE PATRIOT for INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISM and LIBERATED PEOPLE’S STATES and whatever the ANARCHISTS VERSION is of that

      i am NOT a “patriot” for an EMPIRE built on SETTLER-COLONIALISM, campaigns of GENOCIDE, and chattel SLAVERY. i am NOT a “patriot” of STOLEN LAND and a POLICE STATE of RACIAL APARTHEID run by ANCIENT PEDOPHILE CAPITALISTS

      a TRUE SOCIALIST can NOT be a NATIONALIST for a FASCIST NATION . any SNOWFLAKE who says that is a NATIONAL SOCIALIST.

      THOMAS JEFFERSON was a SLAVE-OWNING CRACKER and LINCOLN was a MODERATE LIBERAL who guaranteed his own assassination with his CABINET of rivals RACISTS

      • Nakoichi [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        ANARCHISTS VERSION

        No such thing. Appreciate the shoutout though.

        :ancom-heart:

        • Patriot [comrade/them]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          all i know is that the RICH are STEALING FOOD from MY TABLE to be PEDOPHILES and i am a PATRIOT of any group that LIBERATES the OPPRESSED

        • Patriot [comrade/them]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Was John Brown a Patriot when he stood up in defense of his black brothers and sisters?

          John Brown was an ABOLITIONIST and a TRUE CHRISTIAN. He was MURDERED by the SLAVE COUNTRY called the UNITED STATES

          “I, John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood”

          John Brown was not A TRAITOR to the oppressed. NATIONALIST SOCIALISTS are FALSE PATRIOTS who lick the boots of AMERICAN EMPIRE.

  • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Patsocs aren't a real thing outside of twitter... which I guess is true of most American leftists.