Ukraine has ten times the casualties
Just a complete lie. And of course it's "virtue signalling" to care about the suffering of others.
Honestly the sheer whiplash of going "caring about Palestine is virtue signaling only" and litterally in the same sentence going "Ukraine more important" is just perfect
It’s a lie for civilian casualties, not for total casualties.
He’s logic is that I’m supposed to hold the same outrage for a 36 year old man in Azov Battalion as a 6 year old girl in Gaza.
That six year old girl was recruited by Hamas and it’s tragic but what can you do?
What are the casualty counts in the Ru/Nato war? I thought we were well in to the hundreds of thousands dead an injure at this point.
well if you listen to Ukraine they've killed the entire Russian population twice over and only a few dozen of their boys got killed in the process
To be fair (and balanced), for casualties as a whole, 10x is an accurate figure if you take western news sources at face value.
In the Russo-Ukrainian war, the amount of disinformation makes this staggeringly hard to know; Adding up the estimates gives ranges somewhere between 150,000 and 1,000,000 deaths. It's important context to note, though, that these deaths are overwhelmingly military.
In terms of just civilian casualties, Palestinian casualties are 2-3x higher, in less than a quarter of the time, with less then a tenth the population.
Civilian casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian war are very roughly estimated at 30k-50k, out of 37m over two years. Civilian casualties in Palestine are at a minimum of 110k out of 2,300k in 5 months. Even if the IDF's own numbers are to be believed, that means >90% of casualties are non-militant civilians.
Civilian casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian war
Casualties as in killed by the war? Because the numbers I've seen are ~10 thousand, which is comparable to the first month of the war in Iraq
If you believe western news sources, Ukraine does have about ten times the casualties. So in fairness I don't think it's a bald-faced lie by this guy in particular, more just western governments.
Civilian deaths 2 years into the Ukraine war stands at 10,000.
After 5 months, it's 30,000 deaths in Gaza. That means if Israel were bombing Ukraine, the would've killed 150,000 Ukrainian civilians instead of 10,000. And if Russian were bombing Gaza, they would've killed just 2,000 instead 30,000.
And I didn't even factor in population. Ukraine has 20x the population of Gaza. (40m to 2m). The impact of each innocent life lost is 20x more in Gaza than it is in Ukraine. It is 20x easier to wipe out an entire family, 20x easier to find someone who's lost someone, 20x to erase entire histories and subcultures (especially when you bomb universities, libraries, ancient monuments).
So, Russia is at least 14-15 TIMES more humane and caring about civilian life than Israel is. And if you factor in the impact of the difference in relative population (40m vs 2m) that shoots up to 280-300 TIMES more humane and caring than Israel. That's not 280%-380% - That would be just 2.8-3.8 times. No.
Russia respects Ukrainian civilains 28,000%-30,000% more than Israel respects Gazan civilians.
Yes, 2 personality tests can be a different result on the same day. It's also used by extremely stupid business owners to discriminate against introverts.
That's a blast from the past! Yeah, I used to get INTP all the time when I took the personality test yeeeears ago. I guess this makes them slightly more predictive than actual horoscopes lol.
I get what you saying but I really don't like the "population size to population size metric so these deaths are worth even more" kinda discourse. It's how people get to "this was like 10 9/11s" or whatever. The facts are obvious already.
He's counting millions of Russians who are launching human wave tactics.
I guarantee you with a little bit of probing you could get this guy to tell you that Russians aren't people.
If they mean Ukraine has suffered 300,000 casualties then yeah, but it’s more like 4-500,000 now unfortunately so it’s more like 15x the casualties.
No comparison between civilian casualties vs military, no comparison between population. You won't see children dying in hospitals due to lack of food in Ukraine.
This isn't to say that Ukraine isn't "poor". It is an extremely unequal country thanks to western actions.
I was on a crowded train in Tokyo and a foreigner (the only other one in the train, and the only person not wearing a mask) told me I was 'virtue signalling' and I was like whuuuuhhh?
Genuinely don’t understand the mask hate. I can see buying into vax propaganda, but a mask is like the same thing as eyeglasses.
Making people feel inferior for needing eyeglasses is also a thing that "fully grown" (read:
) adults do
If Ukraine is the deciding issue instead of Palestine, I'd still be asking everyone not to vote for Biden seeing as he opposed peace deals and oversaw the attack on Nordstream 2 to make it harder to negotiate.
Ok Ukraine has 10 times the casualties, then lets talk about a ceasefire and a peace treaty
"Jail Fossil Fuel execs"
But only them, no other bourgeoisie, and don't actually do anything more than give them a 6 month slap on the wrist term. We wouldn't want be authoritarian now, would we?
"I give such a little shit about an ongoing genocide that I literally cannot fathom another person genuinely caring if it doesn't immediately affect them."
I love how they decided this is a "single issue voooting" thing. Even if there weren't other reasons to hate Biden, that would still be ok because genocide is an obvious red line that most people don't have a problem crossing.
But somehow we're the tankies?
After the Ukraine war started I was getting into quite a few arguments with people about tankies apologizing for Stalin's "Holodomor" and Katyn Forest and Molotov-Ribbentrop which would be pretty ironic coming from American liberals for anybody here familiar with any of these events before Oct 7th. But after Oct 7th these arguments become actual doublespeak. We're arguing with liberals that will take contradictory positions on anything as long as they have a BBC article to point to but they will accuse YOU of taking contradictory positions while they do it.
Funny how libs always defend fascist states, this behavior definitely has no historical precedence.
I’m imagining some redditor nodding while reading this until they get to the Ukraine part and then swiftly downvoting.
Comparing Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine is fucking ridiculous.
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