I pray for the sweet release of death.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Their argument looks like it's probably based on the riches provided by modern technology. If so, Kropotkin might be a better way to get through to them.

    The whole intro to The Conquest Of Bread is about how much we can achieve with the wonders of modern technology... in 1892. If we can't even match the world Kropotkin envisioned over 100 years ago with the even more wondrous technology of today, maybe he was right about there being something wrong about the system we're using to employ it.

    • Randomdog [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I've never been able to get my head around the "riches of modern technology" argument.

      Like yeah sure smartphones are fucking amazing, but that doesn't suddenly make a difference to the fact that there are people who work full time jobs that have to pick between paying rent and feeding their kids does it?

      I just can't ever see it as anything other than a bad faith argument.

      • Owl [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        People who make that sort of argument are thinking something like:

        • Past - people work full time jobs just to feed and shelter themselves

        • Now - people work full time jobs just to feed and shelter themselves, but now they have smart phones, refrigerators, a wider variety of foods, etc

        So the now is strictly better.

        Now personally I think that if anyone is struggling to feed themselves then that is a full scale moral crisis that must be dealt with. But someone who's comfortable enough to have never experienced that might not understand the gravity of the situation. And even if they have, people as a whole are just loaded with ways to accept and gloss over huge bad things in our world.

        ...But also, while the person supporting the progress of the modern world might be talking about smartphones and trinkets, I want to point out that Kropotkin wrote before the Green Revolution and we still don't have the free bread he was talking about.

        • Randomdog [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          "Now is strictly better" is, I guess, TECHNICALLY true... But yeah man talk about totally missing the point...

          Thanks for phrasing it like that though - I can definitely see how it could be someone who just is unaware of the situations of others instead of strictly being something used by trolls.

      • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It’s such bullshit too. That’s just referring to people in imperial core countries. People in the GS still have it as shitty as we did over here in the 19th century.