So, right. I literally just saw the boys season 3 come out on prime video. I remember having a cool discussion with this group earlier when we discussed how what Homelander symbolized, how AOC was in the story fictitiously, that kind of stuff. Was just wondering if anyone would take the bait (so to speak) again
I got the opposite impression of the CIA bit tbh.
It certainly tried to make the CIA lady a sympathetic character but in no way did it paint the agency in a favorable light.
'We're the hip CIA, we're the cool CIA, we're the modern CIA, we're the diverse but not too neoliberal CIA' -Hasan Piker 🤣
I meant that it presented her as someone with a clear moral conflict and remorse for having been a part of it while simultaneously presenting the agency itself as unambiguously evil.
Bro I appreciate that, because I was just having a 'mature discussion' yesterday with a bit of an older dude, and he was claiming to me that he understood writing a lot more now that he was an adult. Like how kids really can't be docked for when they make a mistake. In high school/college level+ writing, it's especially important that you state your intentions clearly, because you need to make sure what you're saying is opinion and it's clear that in writing at least, you make it known that it is your opinion. So yeah, thanks bruh :)
Yeah in general from what I've watched so far, (5 minutes in 🤣 ) it seems like I'm definitely on your side. I think it seems like they're a generally anti-capitalist show. Staytunedasopinionsmaychangeinfuture. Theinformation-witholdingpartyisnotresponsible foreveryfuture, opinion, change.
Theyve largely dropped the CIA sponsorship AFAIK since Raynor got popped in S2E1. The setup changed between S2 and S3, its implied the Boys are an off-book contractor for the new BFSA under Neumann so they're more "above-board" now.
Its frankly another change from the original comic that I've mixed feelings about. In the comic they were straight up black hat contractors for the CIA and the CIA was pretty unambiguously portrayed as baddies with their own priorities who would (and did) drop them as soon as they were no longer needed.
The analysis of Homelander being portrayed as a personification of American foreign policy has been around since the show started airing, but this season takes this metaphor to a whole nother level - specifically the scene where Starlight tries to blackmail him with the plane crash footage. As an adversary there is no room for small victories because there is a small chance he could just nuke you and your entire city without hesitation. Although that seems unlikely, why take that risk? Better to just submit diplomatically and hope he loses interest with you groveling at his feet. Even his allies are terrified of him because at any moment he could lose his shit and just commit some horrific act of violence against anyone. They all view him as unstable and a threat even if he serves their short-term goals (like how NATO members hate the USA's guts and basically told Biden to eat shit after he called for a united coalition against Russia)
Tell you what, I certainly appreciate the amount of effort in the writing, and while I don't necessarily have the capability to give you feedback equivalent to the amount of effort you put into writing that, but I do have a friend who's quite experienced at grading writing, and I asked for his feedback :) Will make a second post replying to you when he replies to me :)
I thought where they went with the AOC stand in was great, there are also some undertones of unionization and retaliation in the latest episode.
Thanks (for biting )! 😂 So, what is the latest episode, if you don't mind me asking. Because I quite literally just started season 3 episode 1, and I remember with season 2 at least, they were rolling episodes out in the one-episode-at-a-time fashion. So what's the latest episode?
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Starlight tries to recruit fellow supes to stand up against Homelander with some very similar rhetoric to union agitation, one of them commits but is ratted out by another only to wind up murdered by Homelander. Also the AOC stand in turning out to be just another supe and Hughie losing faith in electoralism and admitting that Butcher's way is the only way is a whole mood
I legit love how they've portrayed A-Train in this series. He's such a worthless, narcissistic piece of shit wholl never change no matter how much Homelander shits on him. You just knew instantly he was going to snitch to Homelander immediately as the easy way to get ahead.
Like that's legit that
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Starlight dies. That's what reminds me of why I liked season 2 so much. They're not afraid to be bold in their writing.
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No she doesn't die one of the people she is trying to turn against Homelander does though.
There's also a side plot about one of the supes murdering innocent black people in a poor neighborhood because of paranoid white people in a very obvious commentary on police brutality.
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And the Seven decide not to do anything about the over-policing because it wouldn't poll well with white people
I caught the union vibes in the newest episode too, I definitely think that's what they were going for
Minor thing but didn't see it mentioned here: the reference to the trump taco bowl thing in the newest episode got me, I laughed.
found the :pepsi: thing fuckin hilarious
a communist is definitely writing the show. they basically wrote reform v revolution via capeshit mockery for the first couple of episodes. their movement got coopted by the government and they realized it wasnt gonna work.
excited to see what theyll say about russia and china going forward. they killed a russian oligarch which is kosher :shrug-outta-hecks:
wish they never did the deep and starlight plotline nor brought it up again but i just have my bf skip those scenes for me
the ''detail'' i really liked about this season is Victoria
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the figurative daughter of Capital, almost immediately siding with Homelander's upcoming race war
the pro cia fighting sandinistas in Nicaragua was lib as fuck
I thought that was portrayed as explicitly a bad thing that only got a bunch of people killed. Also watching anti-communist supes get owned was funny
They literally spell out the fact the CIA sold crack to black neighborhoods and it is in no way sympathetic to the agency, just sort of to that one character, who is also clearly living in depressed self-imposed exile.
I find it weird that they immediately have Mallory morally condemn Butcher right after she admits to having sold crack to the black community, as if we're supposed to take it seriously
I don't think that's inherently out of character for someone like that lol.
This is true, and also all the scenes in Nicaragua portray Mallory as the ultimate girlboss, who cares about "her men" even when the dumb supes come and mess it up
I mean, yeah, a CIA operative cares about their men when they are fighting a dirty war while in enemy territory and wouldn't want any friendly fire. Seems reasonable.
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Wtf with Kimiko. I just can't believe she's straight up dead, does soldier boy have the ability to steal powers or something??? That sucks so much, she's literally so good. I should've seen it coming as soon as her and frenchie started making a pact to move to Marseilles
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Certainly doesn’t look good for her, but Kimiko is still hanging on.
Either Soldier Boy or Jamie the Hamster seem to be the Homelander-killing-weapon.
Dean Captain America with the red energy weapon knocking out Kimiko’s powers is the better bet (though I kind of want to see Jamie tossed on Homelander and turn into a blurry furry fury ball).
I’m hoping the blast effects wear off in the back of the van and she heals. It would also inform The Boys that there is a window within which to attack and kill Homelander or else he’s just going to pop up again and slaughter everyone.Pretty sure the hamster is a one-off or recurring reference to the comic, Hughie adopted a perfectly normal hamster taken from the first Supe he killed.
oh, haven’t read the comics
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With the show introducing a supe animal, hopefully Deep doesn’t find out he can inject some V into his aquatic friends. Could make landsharks, a sharknado, sharks with freaking laser beams.
So where does it diverge from the comic. I tead the comic though in the past and alot of the stuff I am seeing doesn't seem familiar
Mainly that the comic is pretty terrible and the show is pretty good
I dunno, I feel like the first like 2/3s of it was good, and they woudl have probably wanted to end it there but then they just didn't and they ran out of ideas
A lot. Its an adaptation of the comic only in broad strokes now. For one, the focus is considerably broadened to give more screen time to Starlight, Homelander, and the Seven in general. Several major characters (Stilwell, Neumann, Stormfight) are now female, have their backgrounds and motivations changed entirely, and/or were killed off much earlier. Also, the Boys aren't all permanently superpowered and are only now finally experimenting with "Temp-V" (IMO this is one of the biggest weaknesses of the series, so far the Boys have mostly been bumbling around and aren't a serious threat to the Supes, and have had to rely on Supe allies to resolve the climaxes of both seasons).
I gave you an upbear but I think that was just an excuse and they couldn't do magic in GoT even if they wanted to after the dragons devoured the entire CGI budget
The premise of fighting the supes is the same and they're borrowing a lot of character concepts but the show has its own thing it's doing, for the most part.
Also unrelated but just kind of adding to the discussion, I just finished watching the recap of season 2 and I definitely remember the leftist undertones of this show in general.
LOL, @ the only if it's a murder-suicide line at the beginning. Sorry, I'm just a weird film kid at heart, because I used to major in it in high school. So I'll just be adding to this post as I go along, and if you're interested, keep reading. If you're not, I understand.
I really love the cinematography in the beginning, how they chose to go with the 'it's-all-good-because-they-characterized-how-the-characters-were-and-just-jumped-into-the-present-day.' If you made it this far as a writer, you should know about me that 'single quotes' means I'm paraphrasing, whereas "full quotes" means I'm quoting something.
And I really love the shot in the beginning that's copying that video of the newscast video that got popular on youtube like beginning of the pandemic-ish. I'm talking specifically about the shot that copies the thing in the newscasts with all the talking heads converging on one line. Maybe the Joe Rogan video was first, who knows.
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★☆☆☆☆ with each season it gets worseVERY political and VERY anti male. Plenty of male
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Kimiko becomes a fully developed character in season 2, but yeah, she is like that in the first one.
Subtlety and ambiguity are for cowards and character development, not themes and politics. I would say the the Boys is not nearly explicit enough about its politics.
