“This book had WAY too much of an obvious agenda for me and I’m a leftist!” :fedposting:

Nah let’s be real they’re probably just a shitlib who thinks putting BLM in their bio and supporting Warren makes them a leftist

  • layla
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    2 years ago

    Anybody who says something to the effect of "listen, I'm as left as they come..." should have their opinion disregaraded immediately

  • wire [it/its]
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    2 years ago

    Settlers is amazing, the central thesis is instrumental in explaining the apparent contradictions of the political views of the white working class in the United States. Liberals falsely conclude that the white worker must simply be too dumb to support their corporate technocracy even if their policies are technically better. This misattribution of cause stems from the intrinisic lack of systemic and material analysis in liberalism. The second you consider that the United States enjoys the wealth of a global empire and that on a global scale the white worker in the US is much closer to being bourgeois than proletarian, everything snaps into sharp focus. Suddenly you understand why reactionary policies are popular where tolerance and gestures at welfare programs aren't: because the material conditions of even the most exploited worker in the US is far high than on the periphery of empire. I'm typing this on a machine made in minerals extracted by children, this coffee I'm addicted to was likely farmed by slaves. No wonder we aren't doing a revolution no matter how bad our material conditions get, the baseline of our material reality is too good and is inherently not as horrible as in the countries this empire exploits. So yeah read Settlers

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      because the material conditions of even the most exploited worker in the US is far high than on the periphery of empire

      of the most exploited white worker*

      https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/timworstall/files/2015/10/creditsuisseweatlhreport.jpg?format=jpg&width=960

      That tail end of the America curve is disproportionately Black/Latino

      Also shows that there are no desperately poor people in China. They virtually don't exist. :xi-shining:

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I'm kind of a dumb dumb, can you put that chart into words please? Wealth decile is how proportionally wealthy a given demographic is and the percentage on the right is how much of that region they make up?

        • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          The percentage on the left is how much of that decile can be found in the given region. Of the bottom 10% of earth: 10% of them can be found in the US. About 15% of them from Europe. And virtually 0 from China.

          Of the RICHEST 10% on earth: 65% of them are Western. Only 10% from China.

          it's global wealth deciles numbered 1 thru 10.

          For example, the average American is extremely rich, except for the 10% of Americans who are in the bottom 10%ile of global wealth (and also the 10% of Americans who are in the 20-60%ile of global wealth)

          The average American is extremely rich, but the variance is extremely high. If you were to be born somewhere random, it would be safest to be born in China, where you have a guarantee of avoiding the worst poverty.

          • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            ok that's incredibly striking compared to everywhere else and yeah I see that now. The average American is either very globally rich or incredibly desperate, no middle ground. It would explain why you only have three true political movements in the USA: nice imperialism, mean imperialism, and completely apathetic.

      • wire [it/its]
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        2 years ago

        Absolutely meant to have white be in that sentence. Great additions too comrade

    • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I actually took this screenshot right after ordering a copy for myself. Needless to say, their review wasn’t quite convincing enough for me to cancel my order

      • HornyOnMain
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        2 years ago

        Their review was convincing enough to get me to order a copy

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I'm finally gonna read it. I'm constantly disappointed with fellow Americans and this could help me at least contextualize my disappointment better.

      • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        an important takeaway is around how race, imperialism, and settler-colonialism has shaped the class structure of the Amerikan empire.

        Some fragile white dudes jump to claiming its about how revolution is impossible and white people are all terrible, which is uhhhhh :yikes-1: :yikes-2: :yikes-3:

        • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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          2 years ago

          Literally Sakai makes a point to address the “you’re just dividing the working class” ‘argument’ in the book which is always a great way to know someone didn’t bother to read it.

          • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            He also takes most of the book to get to "anyway, these dipshit white workers in the imperial core aren't adding value and have bullshit jobs in large part" which I felt made much of the rest of the book the material context that Bullshit Jobs sort of lacks.

            • Deadend [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Bullshit jobs was supposed to sneak in and pull people left.

            • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              it was a real eye opener how Sakai pointed out that black people in the American south had a complete, working economy that could provide for itself, how the Indian nations all had complete, working economies that could provide for itself, how quickly Asian immigrants on the west coast built up the economy there and how white America has never had that. It didn't even want to, having others do that work for them was the settler's plan all along. The USA by design never was a viable economic system that could stand on its own legs, it always needed to parasitize on the labor of the opressed peoples for that and still does to this day.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Too much of an obvious agenda for me

    Anyone that talks like that is blowing hard on a chud dog whistle.

    and I'm a leftist

    :reddit-logo:

    • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Too much of an obvious agenda for me

      literally all art has an agenda and if it somehow doesn't, then it's likely boring lol

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The attempt to be "nonpolitical" or "not have an agenda" is itself a political statement, and it's conveniently a right-wing one.

        • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          The attempt to be “nonpolitical” or “not have an agenda” is itself a political statement

          it means "let's only use the political agenda that everyone already lives under and never points out"

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            That's exactly what "nonpolitical" means in western contemporary culture. :agony-yehaw:

  • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    "this book makes me uncomfortable and I am unable to engage with ideas about settler colonialism without feeling personally attacked"

  • Anxious_Anarchist [they/them, any]
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    2 years ago

    "Too much of an obvious agenda" is one of those criticisms I see a lot and it makes no damn sense, like yeah this piece of art has an opinion so does everything.

  • artificialset [she/her, fae/faer]
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    2 years ago

    Damn, finding out there's more to do than putting a BLM sticker on their minivan must have been rough for this reviewer. I think two stars was generous after breaking reality that badly for them.