First, it started with people saying cis women getting breast implants was gender-affirming surgery and at least that kinda made sense on the very surface level. Now people are claiming all plastic surgeries are gender-affirming which made me check whether this was some orchestrated trolling effort. Doesn't seem like it.
Here's the tweet .
You know nonbinary people are still subject to beauty standards right?
Edit because of your edit:
Gender being racialized means, among other things, that a black woman has different beauty standards imposed on her than a white woman, or an Asian woman. And those beauty standards tend to value whiteness and traits associated with whiteness
Yeah, it sucks, society should stop doing it so we can stop having to point out how gendered society makes everything
Yes and what does that have to do with gender? Being attractive is a universally sought after trait for all genders and lack thereof.
So I ask again, which gender am I affirming when I get my cleft palate fixed?
Treating a cleft palate isn't purely cosmetic
But let's use liposuction instead. Do you really think that thinness and gender aren't tied together?
You can ask a lot of enbies who want to present androgynously and have strong feelings on the mainstream definition of androgynous being thin
You can look at the different ways fatness is gendered between men and women.
You dodged the question. Anything that isn’t medically necessary is cosmetic. Trans related medical care is medical, not cosmetic.
Your attempts to force everything into the gender box is both incoherent and tbh pretty transphobic, equating a cosmetic optional surgery with medically necessary ones.
I am an enbie, so I ask again because you still have not answered, if I get liposuction you believe I’m re-affirming a feminine gender role? You think if I get my teeth whitened I’m affirming, what, masculinity? This shit is not scientific or coherent
You didn't read my comment, where I said
" You can ask a lot of enbies who want to present androgynously and have strong feelings on the mainstream definition of androgynous being thin "
Gonna be real with you, youre being kind of a dick and you're not bothering to read what I actually write, so get your last word in and then stop engaging with me in this thread.
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I come up with a couple counter-examples to your new idealist theory that everything in the universe is all about gender all the time and you don’t have a coherent response.
Maybe I just want to get a surgery to look good. I’m not affirming any gender by doing so unless it’s specifically has to do with sex characteristics associated with a certain gender. There are tons of examples of universal cosmetic surgeries that don’t cleanly fit into your theory, so your solution is to ignore them or force them into one gender or the other (rather insultingly)