The United States is the most Fascist nation to ever exist, with a greater portion of Fascists in the population than the Third Reich.
The United States is the most Fascist nation to ever exist, with a greater portion of Fascists in the population than the Third Reich.
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It wasn't, Rome in the west just kinda lost the ability to do anything effectively. The east kept going til the ottomans consumed it.
you gotta remember that the fall of the roman empire took longer than the united states has even existed yet
Edit for clarity: by this I mean to point out that I don't think it's likely that anything akin to "intense fascism" would arise through such a gradual collapse. If it had been at the time scale which the US seems to be going from founding to empire to golden age to collapse, what may take the US a generation or so to experience rome took hundreds of years
I think the fashiest time in Rome was probably towards the end of its heyday when they had the power and prestige to do such things
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Don't fret, because of technology everything happens much more quickly now
lifecycle of an empire speedrun :so-true:
The Roman Empire started falling in 453 but hung around as a political entity until the 15th century.
Also Rome pretty much always ran on slavery and general shittieness. It wasn't fascist because Fascism is 20th century phenomena and the economy and culture were very different, but Rome was never a great place to live for slaves and peasants.
yeah I think we're on the same page, also, I was counting the collapse of the western empire as the fall of rome, even though I know the other half still thought of itself as rome, because it was a more dramatic "fall"
I feel like the US isn't going to "fall" as much as it's going to stop being a superpower for a while while still being a great power. It might even go back to being a superpower in a multipolar world after it's brief period of falling from grace.
The way I see it there are three categories of outcomes: the slow decline and loss of geopolitical power until what happened to detroit happens to all of the US, a vicious and rabid shift to outright fascism in some form or another that results in the violent destruction of much of the US and potentially the world, or a Worker Victory where the US as we know it is overthrown and workers come to power, enabling a huge swell of productivity and increase in quality of life culminating in the US maintaining or even increasing in global power/ prestige
I don't see the US surviving as we know it for much longer, generationally speaking
there's also a 4th option where the workers win but then something gets fucked up and everything goes sideways, or the counterrevolution is victorious, but I'm just gonna file that under option 2 because that's where it'd end up anyway
the problem with this possibility is that it requires America (and Americans) to manage and handle their own decline and I just dont see it imo