"As a fellow survivor, I forgot that what binds us is our shared trauma. But for most of America, Donald Trump was that trauma..."

    • asaharyev [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      They're already laying the groundwork to blame Bernie. I expect them to actually blame him two-fold. First, they will relitigate 2016 with the "Bernie didn't do enough to help Biden," despite my being bombarded with Bernie emails pushing Biden and anti-Trump. Second, they will say that Bernie's support of Biden actually drove away moderates because Bernie is too radical, and actually he should have stepped back from the campaign.

      They will never acknowledge that these two things cannot be true at the same time, and that the problem is actually Biden.

      This is, of course, if Trump somehow wins again. At this point, I give it 50/50 odds.

        • asaharyev [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I agree with all of this. But I think it's a toss-up. I think 2016 was also basically a toss-up.

          With mail-in ballots, anything could happen. We could "oops" lose hundreds of thousands (or millions) of votes, or they could get counted in key states and actually expand ballot access. This one is so wide open I'd feel foolish trying to predict it.

          I have a sinking feeling that Biden will somehow win and take a harsh law and order stance, potentially giving police even more resources to round up protesters, but now the libs accept it because it's a fucking Dem doing it instead of the nasty orange man.

            • htz [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              I live in Florida and the enthusiasm gap is real.

              So do I and I see Biden signs and bumper stickers all the time, far more than I ever saw for Hillary. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. Trump will still probably win Florida, I'm just saying that the number of signs you see doesn't mean shit.

              There's someone in my neighborhood with an Israeli flag, a Trump Pence 2020 yard sign, and a Black Lives Matter banner. Most Americans have pudding for brains.

                • htz [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  Less than an hour from Orlando. Suburban area.

                  • niall [any]
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                    4 years ago

                    You should check out Tribune of the People, they do work in Orlando

      • Perplexiglass [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        First, they will relitigate 2016 with the “Bernie didn’t do enough to help Biden,” despite my being bombarded with Bernie emails pushing Biden and anti-Trump.

        Bernie has done so much damage to his brand since conceding just to bend the knee and kiss the ring. "Most progressive candidate in American history", etc. Almost. Almost made me not like him anymore. But it's so crazy to think how ridiculous it'll be for them to play that card.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          But it’s so crazy to think how ridiculous it’ll be for them to play that card.

          That's why he bent the knee -- to prevent this from working.

          They already tried it after 2016 and it never really caught on because Bernie went out of his way to campaign for Clinton. They're going to try it again and it'll fail again for the same reason. Bernie is smart enough to know that taking your ball and going home only hurts you when you've already lost. If he went up on stage and called Biden a rapist he'd poison the well for the next quarter century of leftists.

          It's not pretty, but there are no pretty solutions anymore.