A @CBSNews poll found that 49 percent of men approve of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade and 51 percent disapprove of overturning it. By comparison, 33 percent of women approve and 67 per cent disapprove. https://t.co/r5bZ8NxCym— Eric Michael Garcia (@EricMGarcia) June 26, 2022
I imagine when you're removed from the issue you can buy into the debate club dork reasons for overturning it. Like I can't count how many times I've heard something like "well abortion should be a right but the argument of Roe is weak" or some bullshit. So maybe that accounts for some chunk of it. But yeah, I know dudes skew republican, but these numbers seem crazy.
Eh, white people suck too, and I say this as a white person. Of course, it's a shorthand. I know there are good white people, just as kristina knows there are good men. But the dominant, privileged groups in our shitty, shitty society do suck, just in general.
Ok, I guess I needed to hammer on it being a shorthand a little more. I know a lot of men and a lot of white people and I like most of them quite a lot and think they're very decent people.
But. That doesn't mean that I'm cool will the white supremacist and patriarchal system I live under and it's often easier (in friendly contexts, which hexbear usually is) to just use the shorthand "white people (or men) suck". Especially since I've experienced people (my dad mainly) acting sucky, not because he's a bad dude, but because he's a white boomer man and society has told him he's allowed (really, encouraged) to act like that.
So yeah, that's all I'm saying. I'll leave you with one final thought. Does this emoji piss you off? :lmayo: Why or why not?
It’s the same mode of thinking that gets you the “13% of the population” type shit. It is anti-material.
I would argue this is a very different mode of thinking. The fascists saying "13 50" or whatever the fuck are trying to say "black people are genetically violent, so white people need to oppress them". When I say "white people (men) suck", I'm saying "The dominant groups in society are currently allowed leeway to act like total assholes, and some of them take advantage of that. We need to teach people why that cultural norm is not ok so that we will have fewer assholes."
These are different. For one thing, I'm not saying that men (or white people) suck because of genetics, it's society through and through, every time. So the solution isn't "oppress white people/men", it's education. It's teaching the dominant groups in society that everyone else is human and deserving of empathy too.
Also, context is important. If I were having an actual serious conversation with someone about society and patriarchy or white supremacy, I'd never in a million years use the phrase "white people (men) suck", because you're right, that would be incredibly, unbelievably unhelpful. But that's not what's happening on this post on a tiny leftist internet shitposting forum, now is it?
Besides, sometimes you just have to make fun of white people calling sriracha mayo spicy. Like come the fuck on, I've actually seen people on twitter say shit like "oh, garlic aioli just has too much flavor for me", and I know that person is british or american or canadian or australian and like, if :lmayo: isn't an emoji that fits here I just don't know what is.
How do you plan on teaching against and subverting this cultural norm? Through what mechanism?
The point of Communism is not moral dictation, it is the abolition of class conflict.
It's again the same line of thinking that gets us to "those backward savages in the Middle East need to learn our ways" as a justification for imperialism and forcibly changing their culture. Rednecks are all just stupid racists who need to be taught the correct way to think etc.
And sure, make fun of people for not liking spicy food, but it's not going to change anything is it?
The point of Communism is not moral dictation, it is the abolition of class conflict.
Yes, and this is important, but if we don't also, at the same time, fight against white supremacy and patriarchy, then we'll find these ideas reproduced in our communist society. Because misogyny and racism don't just disappear, even in revolutionary populations. Cuba, for example, has had to work really hard to undo the damage that racism and patriarchy have done to their society, and Cuba is perhaps the most successful communist revolution I can think of. This work isn't done, of course, there's a lot of machismo and racism left in Cuba, but, unlike in America, these social issues are actively being worked on and the situation is improving.
I very much do not believe that America (or "the West" or whatever) has any moral standing to dictate anything to any other country anywhere in the world and further, even if we did have the moral standing, I don't believe it would work or be helpful. I'm actually a little offended that you would try to equate the revolutionary education a revolutionary populace will have to go through with liberals trying to "civilize" the Middle East. These are not the same thing and if you believe they are, I think it might be you who needs to do some more reading and thinking.
Also, really? You're telling me making fun of people for not liking flavorful food won't change anything? :surprised-pika: Who could have foreseen this?! I literally had no idea! I've been doing activism all wrong by chuckling to myself every time I see a white person complaining about spicy stuff! I'll never chuckle to myself about bland anglo food again, my bad.
(That last paragraph is a dig at you because I'm becoming annoyed. I think I'll log off for awhile. Have a good day.)
"Screaming not all x" when you should know very well that the problem is systemic and doesn't apply specifically to you is an unironic chud-all-lives-matter-teir dunk.
If the problem is systemic then why are you shitting on the individual?
You can't say "This problem is derived a system that pushes it on us from the top down" and also go "But the people affected by it are stupid and evil".
It's simple. She said men suck, not that every single individual man sucks. If you're a man, and you know you're not one of the guys she meant, then it wasn't for you.
I'm embarrassed that you are anti-Communist propaganda given human form.
Keep on hating huge swathes of the population as a default. Let me know how your moralistic crusade ends up.
I'm sure sounding like a scolding 18-year-old feminist will work out one day. And if not, there's always positions open in the Democratic party apparatus.
Men do suck tbh
it's true but a 50:50 split seems insane to me
I imagine when you're removed from the issue you can buy into the debate club dork reasons for overturning it. Like I can't count how many times I've heard something like "well abortion should be a right but the argument of Roe is weak" or some bullshit. So maybe that accounts for some chunk of it. But yeah, I know dudes skew republican, but these numbers seem crazy.
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Wonder if we can organize a debate nerd militia.
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the average guy i know is kinda an asshole
Unironic liberal feminism-tier dunk.
You'd be throwing a fit if you said it about any other built in trait, so don't do it for men.
You can also check out the statistics for women here if you like.
Eh, white people suck too, and I say this as a white person. Of course, it's a shorthand. I know there are good white people, just as kristina knows there are good men. But the dominant, privileged groups in our shitty, shitty society do suck, just in general.
Oh wow, white people and men. Like 85% of the population of the US.
And the majority of them just suck? They're awful people?
Why are you even a Communist if you genuinely hate that many people?
Ok, I guess I needed to hammer on it being a shorthand a little more. I know a lot of men and a lot of white people and I like most of them quite a lot and think they're very decent people.
But. That doesn't mean that I'm cool will the white supremacist and patriarchal system I live under and it's often easier (in friendly contexts, which hexbear usually is) to just use the shorthand "white people (or men) suck". Especially since I've experienced people (my dad mainly) acting sucky, not because he's a bad dude, but because he's a white boomer man and society has told him he's allowed (really, encouraged) to act like that.
So yeah, that's all I'm saying. I'll leave you with one final thought. Does this emoji piss you off? :lmayo: Why or why not?
It doesn't piss me off lol
I'm simply saying it isn't helpful in any sense. It's just virtue signalling liberalism and not much else.
It's the same mode of thinking that gets you the "13% of the population" type shit. It is anti-material.
I would argue this is a very different mode of thinking. The fascists saying "13 50" or whatever the fuck are trying to say "black people are genetically violent, so white people need to oppress them". When I say "white people (men) suck", I'm saying "The dominant groups in society are currently allowed leeway to act like total assholes, and some of them take advantage of that. We need to teach people why that cultural norm is not ok so that we will have fewer assholes."
These are different. For one thing, I'm not saying that men (or white people) suck because of genetics, it's society through and through, every time. So the solution isn't "oppress white people/men", it's education. It's teaching the dominant groups in society that everyone else is human and deserving of empathy too.
Also, context is important. If I were having an actual serious conversation with someone about society and patriarchy or white supremacy, I'd never in a million years use the phrase "white people (men) suck", because you're right, that would be incredibly, unbelievably unhelpful. But that's not what's happening on this post on a tiny leftist internet shitposting forum, now is it?
Besides, sometimes you just have to make fun of white people calling sriracha mayo spicy. Like come the fuck on, I've actually seen people on twitter say shit like "oh, garlic aioli just has too much flavor for me", and I know that person is british or american or canadian or australian and like, if :lmayo: isn't an emoji that fits here I just don't know what is.
How do you plan on teaching against and subverting this cultural norm? Through what mechanism?
The point of Communism is not moral dictation, it is the abolition of class conflict.
It's again the same line of thinking that gets us to "those backward savages in the Middle East need to learn our ways" as a justification for imperialism and forcibly changing their culture. Rednecks are all just stupid racists who need to be taught the correct way to think etc.
And sure, make fun of people for not liking spicy food, but it's not going to change anything is it?
Yes, and this is important, but if we don't also, at the same time, fight against white supremacy and patriarchy, then we'll find these ideas reproduced in our communist society. Because misogyny and racism don't just disappear, even in revolutionary populations. Cuba, for example, has had to work really hard to undo the damage that racism and patriarchy have done to their society, and Cuba is perhaps the most successful communist revolution I can think of. This work isn't done, of course, there's a lot of machismo and racism left in Cuba, but, unlike in America, these social issues are actively being worked on and the situation is improving.
I very much do not believe that America (or "the West" or whatever) has any moral standing to dictate anything to any other country anywhere in the world and further, even if we did have the moral standing, I don't believe it would work or be helpful. I'm actually a little offended that you would try to equate the revolutionary education a revolutionary populace will have to go through with liberals trying to "civilize" the Middle East. These are not the same thing and if you believe they are, I think it might be you who needs to do some more reading and thinking.
Also, really? You're telling me making fun of people for not liking flavorful food won't change anything? :surprised-pika: Who could have foreseen this?! I literally had no idea! I've been doing activism all wrong by chuckling to myself every time I see a white person complaining about spicy stuff! I'll never chuckle to myself about bland anglo food again, my bad.
(That last paragraph is a dig at you because I'm becoming annoyed. I think I'll log off for awhile. Have a good day.)
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"Screaming not all x" when you should know very well that the problem is systemic and doesn't apply specifically to you is an unironic chud-all-lives-matter-teir dunk.
If the problem is systemic then why are you shitting on the individual?
You can't say "This problem is derived a system that pushes it on us from the top down" and also go "But the people affected by it are stupid and evil".
The "individual" is you. You feel personally insulted and want reassurance that you are infact the goodiest boy. Alright here it is :countdown:
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Men and women are equal victims of the Patriarchy clearly is the most communist take.
Sat thru the timer wondering what was going to happen...I will never learn....
It's simple. She said men suck, not that every single individual man sucks. If you're a man, and you know you're not one of the guys she meant, then it wasn't for you.
Wow, glad I'm "one of the good ones". Thanks for informing me.
I keep saying it to make chuds like you mad :shrug-outta-hecks:
I'm embarrassed that you are anti-Communist propaganda given human form.
Keep on hating huge swathes of the population as a default. Let me know how your moralistic crusade ends up.
I'm sure sounding like a scolding 18-year-old feminist will work out one day. And if not, there's always positions open in the Democratic party apparatus.
Lol