who the fuck were they polling. i get men sucking but there's no fucking way
Ah so like this is dudes in their 50s and up that still have a landline (that means this ain't that bad given the chuddy demographic of that age).
yeah doesn't say how they did it but i'd imagine it was landline, usually they say if it's an online poll and their sample size seems about what i'd expect for a phone poll
This CBS News/YouGov survey is based on a nationally representative sample of 1,591 adults who were recontacted June 24-25, 2022 after the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade was released, following an initial survey conducted before the decision on June 22-24, 2022 using a nationally representative sample of 2,265 U.S. adults.
I imagine when you're removed from the issue you can buy into the debate club dork reasons for overturning it. Like I can't count how many times I've heard something like "well abortion should be a right but the argument of Roe is weak" or some bullshit. So maybe that accounts for some chunk of it. But yeah, I know dudes skew republican, but these numbers seem crazy.
Unironic liberal feminism-tier dunk.
You'd be throwing a fit if you said it about any other built in trait, so don't do it for men.
You can also check out the statistics for women here if you like.
Eh, white people suck too, and I say this as a white person. Of course, it's a shorthand. I know there are good white people, just as kristina knows there are good men. But the dominant, privileged groups in our shitty, shitty society do suck, just in general.
Oh wow, white people and men. Like 85% of the population of the US.
And the majority of them just suck? They're awful people?
Why are you even a Communist if you genuinely hate that many people?
Ok, I guess I needed to hammer on it being a shorthand a little more. I know a lot of men and a lot of white people and I like most of them quite a lot and think they're very decent people.
But. That doesn't mean that I'm cool will the white supremacist and patriarchal system I live under and it's often easier (in friendly contexts, which hexbear usually is) to just use the shorthand "white people (or men) suck". Especially since I've experienced people (my dad mainly) acting sucky, not because he's a bad dude, but because he's a white boomer man and society has told him he's allowed (really, encouraged) to act like that.
So yeah, that's all I'm saying. I'll leave you with one final thought. Does this emoji piss you off? :lmayo: Why or why not?
It doesn't piss me off lol
I'm simply saying it isn't helpful in any sense. It's just virtue signalling liberalism and not much else.
It's the same mode of thinking that gets you the "13% of the population" type shit. It is anti-material.
It’s the same mode of thinking that gets you the “13% of the population” type shit. It is anti-material.
I would argue this is a very different mode of thinking. The fascists saying "13 50" or whatever the fuck are trying to say "black people are genetically violent, so white people need to oppress them". When I say "white people (men) suck", I'm saying "The dominant groups in society are currently allowed leeway to act like total assholes, and some of them take advantage of that. We need to teach people why that cultural norm is not ok so that we will have fewer assholes."
These are different. For one thing, I'm not saying that men (or white people) suck because of genetics, it's society through and through, every time. So the solution isn't "oppress white people/men", it's education. It's teaching the dominant groups in society that everyone else is human and deserving of empathy too.
Also, context is important. If I were having an actual serious conversation with someone about society and patriarchy or white supremacy, I'd never in a million years use the phrase "white people (men) suck", because you're right, that would be incredibly, unbelievably unhelpful. But that's not what's happening on this post on a tiny leftist internet shitposting forum, now is it?
Besides, sometimes you just have to make fun of white people calling sriracha mayo spicy. Like come the fuck on, I've actually seen people on twitter say shit like "oh, garlic aioli just has too much flavor for me", and I know that person is british or american or canadian or australian and like, if :lmayo: isn't an emoji that fits here I just don't know what is.
How do you plan on teaching against and subverting this cultural norm? Through what mechanism?
The point of Communism is not moral dictation, it is the abolition of class conflict.
It's again the same line of thinking that gets us to "those backward savages in the Middle East need to learn our ways" as a justification for imperialism and forcibly changing their culture. Rednecks are all just stupid racists who need to be taught the correct way to think etc.
And sure, make fun of people for not liking spicy food, but it's not going to change anything is it?
The point of Communism is not moral dictation, it is the abolition of class conflict.
Yes, and this is important, but if we don't also, at the same time, fight against white supremacy and patriarchy, then we'll find these ideas reproduced in our communist society. Because misogyny and racism don't just disappear, even in revolutionary populations. Cuba, for example, has had to work really hard to undo the damage that racism and patriarchy have done to their society, and Cuba is perhaps the most successful communist revolution I can think of. This work isn't done, of course, there's a lot of machismo and racism left in Cuba, but, unlike in America, these social issues are actively being worked on and the situation is improving.
I very much do not believe that America (or "the West" or whatever) has any moral standing to dictate anything to any other country anywhere in the world and further, even if we did have the moral standing, I don't believe it would work or be helpful. I'm actually a little offended that you would try to equate the revolutionary education a revolutionary populace will have to go through with liberals trying to "civilize" the Middle East. These are not the same thing and if you believe they are, I think it might be you who needs to do some more reading and thinking.
Also, really? You're telling me making fun of people for not liking flavorful food won't change anything? :surprised-pika: Who could have foreseen this?! I literally had no idea! I've been doing activism all wrong by chuckling to myself every time I see a white person complaining about spicy stuff! I'll never chuckle to myself about bland anglo food again, my bad.
(That last paragraph is a dig at you because I'm becoming annoyed. I think I'll log off for awhile. Have a good day.)
"Screaming not all x" when you should know very well that the problem is systemic and doesn't apply specifically to you is an unironic chud-all-lives-matter-teir dunk.
If the problem is systemic then why are you shitting on the individual?
You can't say "This problem is derived a system that pushes it on us from the top down" and also go "But the people affected by it are stupid and evil".
problem is systemic then why are you shitting on the individual?
The "individual" is you. You feel personally insulted and want reassurance that you are infact the goodiest boy. Alright here it is :countdown:
Edit:
"But the people affected by it are stupid and evil”.
Men and women are equal victims of the Patriarchy clearly is the most communist take.
Sat thru the timer wondering what was going to happen...I will never learn....
It's simple. She said men suck, not that every single individual man sucks. If you're a man, and you know you're not one of the guys she meant, then it wasn't for you.
Wow, glad I'm "one of the good ones". Thanks for informing me.
I'm embarrassed that you are anti-Communist propaganda given human form.
Keep on hating huge swathes of the population as a default. Let me know how your moralistic crusade ends up.
I'm sure sounding like a scolding 18-year-old feminist will work out one day. And if not, there's always positions open in the Democratic party apparatus.
Poll made up so dems can point to it like “SEE see a lot people don’t like abortion nothing we can do we have to win elections”
Media playing mind games
Publicly available polling is bullshit, it's all manipulation to pressure people into changing their opinions.
101 polls showing the anti-abortion mania hanging around 15-20% but now all of sudden the number jumps up by 35%
Did over a quarter of the country suddenly convert to Catholicism, absolute see-thru nonsense
The suspicion arise from the sheer increase
Polling men you would expect maybe 5-10% increase, but damn near 40% increase among men, it’s statistical nonsense, they overplayed their hand like cynical libs usually do when constructing propaganda (conservatives are so much better at it)
They wanted to get to the 50% mark because they know media consuming shitlibs will code that “data” thru partisan lens, “it’s not our failt even tho we’re in power, that 50% republican support is obstructing us”
I've seen polling that most American Catholics support legal abortion. Evangelicals are the ones really fighting for this
article is titled, CBS News poll: Americans react to overturning of Roe v. Wade — most disapprove, call it step backward, you fucking dipshit
The same poll says 64% of the population favours the legality of abortion in "most" or "all" circumstances.
A long term poll (since 1976) only has 13% of people saying they want abortion to be illegal in all circumstances, a historic low, but that group was never larger than 21% of the population.
So, in conclusion: the statistic in this post is cherry-picked. A large majority supports the legality of abortion.
"We polled 100 people who weren't really paying attention and asked them about a subject they knew very little about"
On the one hand, this is just how click-bait poll headlines have been doing things forever. On the other, this is also how people get driven to the polls on election day - throw out a bunch of vague ill-defined culture war issues and scream at people until they show up to fight the other side.
Ok majority still wants abortion so give it back to us, oh dear democratic state which we hold in high regard
In Asimov's Rama series one of the Alien species kills their political leaders after any non-defensive war.
Put that into the constitution.
Cool. Now do it using it a repub/demo axis. Or a religiosity score.
This is 13:50 level of statistical analysis.
49 percent of men approve of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade
:torment:
I've posted about this before, :stupidpol: have you not been following me?
1 So for example 60% of people support Roe yet less than 50% support access in the 1st trimester "when the woman does not want the child for any reason". That tells me less people support Roe than think they do.
2 "61% of Americans say abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances in the first trimester of a pregnancy. However, 65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester" again less people support Roe than think they do.
3 and this one is just funny to me, "One-Third Of U.S. Adults Are Not Sure If Roe v. Wade Has Been Overturned By The Supreme Court, Few Say It Already Has".
you don't understand how made up the notion of public opinion is. To the extent that the public has an opinion it is rife with inconsistencies and contradictions.
I don't find polls like the OP's hard to believe at all.
PS: I didn't realize that the WSJ already wrote something that said exactly what I just did. Just read that.
is it a twitter poll?
is a twitter pollfiguresseems like it's not?
