Los Angeles, NYC and Chicago are the easiest, what others?
One thing fallout may have actually minimized was the extent to which Mormonism would persist through the end of the world
I like that Mormons were still going door to door in outer space in The Expanse
New England congeals pretty quickly I think. They've been a political unit longer than america has existed.
the rural being in northern Maine, NH, and Vermont. The rural parts would love to be independent. They don’t really have an economy though, so it’s hard to say.
yeah there's no way those areas could exist on their own. like you said, they have absolutely no economy. they either become part of canada or get absorbed into one of the nearby big states.
The rural parts would love to be independent. They don’t really have an economy though, so it’s hard to say.
Sounds like the State of Jefferson types in rural California.
That's fair. I have a patchy knowledge of NE, and most of it is pre 1900s.
I'm not super sure how much it would - I think VT/MA/RI/CT would align pretty quickly but NH/ME might just fuck off and do their own thing while still maintaining ties with the wider NE area. (Or they'd basically get forced into it because they'd need access to the larger NE economy).
Quebec would annex Vermont
NH/ME would become weird independent libertarian states
MA would be its own thing
CT and RI would get absorbed into NY
CT and RI would get absorbed into NY
More likely to get attached to Massachusetts imo, or at least RI — they're already on the MBTA commuter rail
yea I could see that. CT already isn't a 'state', just a suburb for NY and MA. there's no culture or anything, no one would even give a shit if it was gone
Think they'd be forced in. Don't know if Canada wants to annex the territory necessarily, but almost no country would make a trade agreement with just one former state. So they'd be to be an economic unit, likely political as well.
It's ultimately what the mining companies want, which likely has nothing to do with your desires
I could see the area between Seattle and Portland coalescing into an effectively single polity too, Tenochtitlan - Texcoco style.
Milwaukee merging with Chicago is more likely, but still not likely.
I could see that. The Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Madison-Chicago megalopolis is already kind of a thing.
If only there was something connecting them at high speeds :train-shining:
It actually extends all the way to Rochester, NY
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_megalopolis
IDK they are kinda far and it's pretty rural in between. It's not like the eastern seaboard.
Rather than Oregon having no sales tax and Washington having no income tax, they'll create a patchwork of no-tax neighborhoods to spread the love more evenly.
Texas going to be 3 distinct areas minimum, calling it now. Also don't see Oklahoma joining up with Texas unpopular I know.
I'm worried about whatever comes out of Idaho, Oklahoma or Nebraska trying to nuke everyone else post Balkanization.
Texas becomes independent, immediately starts it's own civil war
East Texas (basically part of the Deep South), Central Texas (has the biggest cities), West Texas (sucks)
This is what I think it'd split up into as well, far north by OK may split off as well. The 3-4 Texases aren't going to play nice and unified for longer than a few months I'd wager.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MapofEmergingUSMegaregions.png#mw-jump-to-license
LA is big, for sure, but it's running out of water. By the time collapse happens, without the ridiculous amount of infrastructure to transport drinking water from NorCal and the Colorado River via Lake Mead, it'll be a ghost town. It sounds out of this world and fantastical, but it isn't sustainable and 20/30 years down the line, I could see it being much more difficult to live there
https://mead.uslakes.info/Level/
I just assume in a real balkinization situation, LA would just conquer or try to conquer the rest of California plus take Las Vegas and parts of Arizona in order to secure the Colorado River.
Perhaps Greater Los Angeles is a possibility, but Vegas, Nevada, and Arizona are in the same dire straits as socal. Without the millions of acre feet each year, these hubs of humanity crumble. I also wonder how they could annex surrounding territory in this scenario
I assumed this as well, but SoCal would end up battling/diplomacy all the way to Sacramento for water.
Detroit isn't really nearby. There's the lake and the breadth of michigan in the way. The Milwaukee Chicago corridor is already pretty developed though.
It'd have to be armored to make it through the ruins of Gary.
Although I understand the train ride from Detroit to Chicago currently is a pretty decent way to travel between them.
considering the collapse of water in the SW, that's sort of a possibility
We have five actual socialists on our city council in Chicago, but we also have out proud boys in the police. But 70% of our rank and file cops are non-white. Chicago will be interesting.
Pop on over to c/chicago sometime! There's....a handful of us!
Nah thats just a novelty, we dont really eat that. More known for our thin crusts
Curious, do you happen to remember which one? Feel free to DM me if you'd rather.
Psycho Baptist McMansion Theocracy from Lynchburg Va to Spartanburg SC
Doxxing myself as a North Carolinian, but I think it’s an interesting state because it’s already a small chain of island cities surrounded by rural farmland.
Charlotte - people would probably think this becomes the new polity of the south after Atlanta, but because it’s a banking hub with no real industry except it’s FIRE economy I think it would be completely vaporized by the ending of the US federal system. I always joke that Charlotte is the city the bad guys from robocop were trying to build because everything old is destroyed and rebuilt shiny with big glass windows and the homeless are routinely rounded up and shunted off somewhere else. Either way though it’s hollow and has no means of survival detached from global capitalism.
Raleigh/Durham - these cities are already merging into one so I imagine by the time of full imperial break up they’ll have become a single megalopolis. I genuinely think RDU survives as a civilizational hub and maintains more infrastructure (like the airport and hospitals) than most other places namely because the cities are so tied to the agriculture around them. If Charlotte is robocop, Durham always reminded me of Fallout because the poor urban centers looked bombed out following 08 but then mutual aid networks and orgs stepped up to rebuild these places in their own ways. Lots of urban agriculture initiatives. Also know of lots of agricultural projects entwined with the huge immigrant populations where foreign food ways are imported. Either way I see sustainability there and an ability to reconcile the rural vs urban conflict that’s really at the core of this split.
The triad - Greensboro and it’s smaller satellite cities (towns?) are in a similar boat to Raleigh-Durham but less developed and with a more hostile urban/rural divide. Greensboro has been a historic site of violent clashes between leftist and reactionary forces and I’d expect that tradition to continue. Not sure what the future would hold for the triad but I expect it to be violent and very contingent on what’s going on in the RDU. Maybe they become a vassal state/backwater of Raleigh Durham for a time.
Asheville - a real leftist hotbed that’s isolated up in the hills. I would expect Asheville to more closely resemble a Greek city state than any other formation because of its geography and radical politics. The city is massively propped up by tourism money, but if that ran dry it still has a solid amount of infrastructure (again think hospitals and colleges and roads) that would make it the center of the mountain region and its agricultural scene should be enough to hold up the city though likely not a larger empire. Lots of coop farms and markets there too. Isolated but free, probably conquered by the dixie techno-raiders in 2174.
The outerbanks - I don’t really know I’ve never lived here. Ports will always be massively important for trade but the outer banks are a great for shipwrecks and piracy not trade. Add in that climate change is rapidly changing the geography of that coastline and I can’t imagine it being a major mercantile region. Will probably remain the state’s backwater and degrade further towards crime. So yea we’re bringing back the pirates baby :lets-fucking-go:
SF becomes more of a neoliberal hellhole, the peninsual south of SF becomes a libertarian hellhole
What about LA and San Diego? Do they just get all absorbed into La Gran Tijuana?
San Diego is gonna be some sort of federal enclave or something - there's a big naval base there so I doubt it's going to be ceded.
I believe Fort Bragg will emerge has the most powerful "New Federal Capital" for whatever rump state remains of the former United States
Orlando and it's environs will definitely be ruled over by Disney. They already own everything and have a huge security force
Over/under on Disney mercs going to war with the Florida National Guard?
Idk, I guess all of it is predicated on the entirety of Florida not being underwater which seems like it might win out before any other eventuality
