"Love the people, hate the government"
I remember growing up in the early 2000s it was super common to say that "I dont hate black PEOPLE, I just hate black CULTURE"
So gross
Only in so far as more people are outwardly against colored people again.
Holy shit I feel old. Is that not a thing people say anymore?
From my limited experience, I think that's fallen out of favor! People looking to dogwhistle now have to make vague comments about protesters lol
I think "But what about Chicago!" is the new racist dogwhistle equivalent.
We get it bad in Chicago. On the one hand, reactionaries of all stripes like to point here as proof positive of the horrors of "gang culture" and whatever else racist tropes they think are true.
On the other hand a lot prople here really do live in a constate state of low-intensity warfare and our Democratic city leaders are both unwilling and too incompetent to actually take the steps necessary to change that.
I'm glad that's the case. Used to hear that on AM radio all the time because my bus driver would loudly play it.
I remember it being even worse. People would also say they don't hate Arabs, they hate Muslims.
Round my area in those days they had a more extreme version that I think they took from a comedian, where “there’s black people and then there’s n-slurs.” And they just hate the latter.
If it's the thread I'm thinking of they're complaining about IP. They modelled some coat hanger to sell and a chinese factory started mass producing them. Then a bunch of people jumped in with their own Chinese IP woes, real or imagined.
real or imagined
One thing I’ve noticed about these kinds of situations on the internet is people tend to over estimate their originality and/or how big they even are (usually not more than a blip) in the market
Had a friend do the custom clothes version of this with a cricuit and other machines to make anime clothes and they got harassed online by another team for “stealing” the idea of putting anime characters on skirts and stuff lol
I’m sure there’s a chance a Chinese manufacturer repurposed some design of at least one of these people but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were mostly just butting up against the reality that a lot of people convergently arrive at the same idea sometimes
Its funny to see Americans pivot to India, just as the Indian neoliberal government is buckling under the strain of domestic neoliberalism.
How long until a Pink Tide consumes India like it has consumed Latin America? And where will Americans flee to next? Nigeria, perhaps? Or Indonesia? Or will we go hat-in-hand back to China, again?
The whole thread is filled with racist shit. But admins obviously allow it because victims are not white.
racism against asians isn't only socially permissible in the us, it is actively encouraged.
i saw this thread and by god it fucking sucked
suddenly everyone is a designer with a good real and fine justification why they can hate the chinese
Yeah, though let me assure you that these sentiments were widespread long before the letter agencies decided China was public enemy number 1.
China, India, and the entire continent of Africa have always been the favorite targets of Reddit's racism.
im pretty sure this thread was in the 3d printing subreddit, someone was whining about their models being produced and sold on aliexpress
You need to always remind them that ignoring IPs and patents was the thing the US was doing when not yet a superpower
Its a thing the US still routinely does, particularly when a large business interest can profit from the hard work of indie developers or foreign businesses. Back in the 90s, Microsoft was notorious for reverse-compiling other business's software, incorporating it into their platform past licensed terms-of-us, or suing the originating company out of existence. Amazon did a similar trick, most famously with the "One Click Purchase" button.
"New shanzhai is open source on hyperspeed, an unapologetic confrontation with Western ideas of intelectual property. The designers and engineers of new *shanzhai * products build on each other's work, co-opting, repurposing, and remixing in a decentralized way. ..... Shanzhai's past has connotations of knockoff iPhones. New shanzhai stands in stark contrast to the increasingly proprietary nature of American technology, pushing us to think about access, maintenance, and the conflation of intellectual property and civility."
Blockchain Chicken Farm, by Xiaowei Wang.
Very much recommend the read. A bit later she points to how intellectual property rights is a very 18th century Anglo phenomenon, conflating property rights to the ability to be "Human".
Greedy and unscrupulous US businesses plundering the periphery: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!
When the same practices are employed against the imperial core: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
remember how our esteemed 'free press' published a million pieces about how chinese disregard for patent law was rooted in a uniquely chinese culture of cheating? consent is the only thing the US domestically manufactures
Was this the thread about how his design for a wall mounted keyring-hanging hook that was shaped like a middle-finger showed up online?
3d printing is an ideological prod designed to move proletarian or proletarianizing members of American society into alignment with the concerns of the bourgeoisie.
The real value in 3D printing is at industrial scale. Claiming personal 3D printers align you with the bourgeoisie is a bit like claiming hobbyist software development aligns you with Microsoft. If anything, the deeper down the rabbit hole you go, the more obvious it is that these big conglomerates are strangling and butchering what could be a very cool, useful independent means of localized production.
developing software on windows absolutely directly aligns you with microsofts interests
Developing software on Windows for any significant length of time tends to make other languages and systems look that much more appealing.
the totalizing force of the market under capitalism bends your individual desires and hobbies to its ends regardless of your belief!
The totalizing force of the market under capitalism bends towards self-destruction. As the rate of profit falls, Microsoft's effort to squeeze money out of people drives new adopters and smaller businesses out of their sphere of influence. There's a reason Apache and NGINX reign supreme as web-hosting platforms, while Microsoft's IIS struggled for parity for a decade only to collapse on itself in the last few years.
Javascript and Python are the most popular developer languages. MySQL trails just behind Oracle as one of the most popular database engines, with PostgreSQL and MongoDB running tight behind Microsoft's offering. There's been virtually no success at commodifying network protocols.
Try as they might, capitalists continue to struggle to sandbag their positions in the software industry. And the Software-As-A-Service model is only going to hurt them in the long run.
Internet protocols have largely replaced the OS as the chokepoint for interoperability. And no OS has been able to lock down a single proprietary network protocol to monopolize the sector.
let me spell it out
My brother in Christ, I literally develop software for a living. You don't know what you're talking about.
wouldn’t you say that throughout the history of personal computing there have been tons of technologies that served to align the interests of the hobbyist with those of the bourgeoisie?
Not any more than any other technology. If I was going to put my finger on the most capital-friendly appliance, it would land squarely on the automobile.
For the hobbyist, in particular, the PC moves you away from bourgeoisie monopoly interests. There tends to be a lot more DIY development, a lot less of a reliance on private licensing and privatized infrastructure, more open sourcing, more piracy, and a general social component to the hobby that rejects authoritarian tendency in favor of collaborative community-lead projects.
surely an interlocking series of tools causing a person who just wants to get paid for their cfl bulb adapter plates or tabletop miniatures to curse the perfidious han could be said to align their interests with those of the national bourgeoisie.
I think the "perfidious han" is doing what Americans wish they could be doing instead. All we're really seeing here is Americans venting frustration at being crabs in a bucket who cannot drag others down with them. But hobbyists generally are doing what Chinese hackers and developers are doing, just on a smaller and less sophisticated scale. The adoption of the PC and all the tech hobbies surrounding it does not appear to be slowing down Chinese residents or forcing them into well-defined IP-regulated silos of creation and distribution.
Bad take.
It's not useful for everything but it does allow you to make some things that are otherwise not really feasible. And while I don't enjoy it, I think it's done good things for the hobbyist scene
you're clearly some sort of ultralefty because i can't fathom thinking about this issue for more than like 15 seconds, let alone getting into an argument with strangers over it and saying inane shit like "hobby 3d printing is tool of oppression"
i said inane, not insane. your point might be true (i don't think it is), but either way it's still a completely vapid and pointless argument to dedicate this much of your time to.
3d printing as a technology is not, and probably never will be, solely for commercial use. most 3d printing hobbyists do not give a shit about their IP rights and share their models online for anyone to use.
I unironically and uncritically support China blatantly ripping off western IP… which appears to have been open source anyway?
Comment from that thread: "They view the world as a zero sum game. It isnt a situation where we all work together and iron sharpeneth iron kind of thing. They see outside advancements as simply something to be plundered and nothing offered in return for it." Lol. LMAO. The west sees any resource, idea, or labor that no one is asking monetary compensation for as "valueless" and theirs for the taking. "Sure we can take these peoples' lands, they weren't doing anything with it anyway!" Except in this case it isn't someone's home where they live and their ancestors lived, it's a design for a trinket.
I hate white "people" with a passion so hot it would macularly removed their melanin-deficient retinas in under a nanosecond
Does Chinese 3D modeling have the same body shamming issues as regular modeling in the US? or is he complaining about something else?
I think by 3D modeling it means like schematics for designing things, not modeling clothes. Although I may also be confused.
