The only thing that surprised me is the glowing approval of the police and Amazon. That's really shocking.
And the opposition to protesting outside of houses is disappointing, but not surprising. We have a long ways to go.
But at the same time, this stuff is super malleable. Most people locally and nationally supported the burning of that Minneapolis police precinct, for example.
Too bad the results aren't broken down by age. Age seems to usually be the biggest factor (besides party affiliation, ofc) in political opinion polls. And, you know, the youth are more relevant to the medium- and long-term trajectory of the country.
But I actually don't think I've ever seen any positive coverage of Amazon anywhere. Where is the propaganda? The closest thing I can remember was that bullshit HQ competition. All the stuff I see people talk about (IRL or in non-political spaces online) is either Bezos' obscene wealth or workers dropping dead in warehouses or drivers pissing in bottles. Bezos doesn't even have the cult of personality that Musk has.
You know, I think it might have to do with the ambiguity of the question. Like, do they like Amazon as a company, or as a service? Like, I guess I like the website? It's pretty convenient? But that's not the same as liking what they do.
That's all most people think about. The Website. They click, treats arrive.
It's really, really hard to imagine how little people even in more engaged countries than the USA think about news or politics. Most people decide who to vote for on the day they vote. Most people aren't that interested in the news, even what we think of as tabloid news. A significant proportion of Americans still think Russia is Communist.
Heck I once knew a girl who didn't know we'd gone to space. Not "it's a conspiracy". She thought NASA was something from a TV show.
Police less so but Amazon is shocking to me. I’ve basically never known anyone whose opinion on Amazon isn’t between “I still use it because it’s way cheaper and more convenient than alternatives, but they’re absolutely evil” and “Guillotine Jeff Bezos”
probably because you aren't a boomer. I've seen some with piles of Amazon boxes stacked up in their garage. It's like home network shopping but on crack. They probably don't even think about what goes on to get those boxes to them
New idea: We take Florida and we put everyone over the age of 60 there and don’t let them leave, and then the rest of us can finally have a functional society.
Yes! Wrt the police, I thought it would be more mixed. Partly because of the recent Uvalde stuff drawing more outrage, but partly because those protests were only a couple years ago and most people approved of them at the time. Plus, I actually don't know anyone but chuds (less than 40% of the population) who even like cops. Was expecting more ambivalence.
Too bad the results aren’t broken down by age. Age seems to usually be the biggest factor
I don't know that that's true, tbh. Or even if it is, it's actually not the case that boomers, or anyone older than a millennial at any rate, have (as a broad demographic) always had the political constitution that they currently do. The reality appears to be that the populace of the country as a whole only becomes more reactionary as conditions worsen. Whether that's because everyone who isn't just fucking dies before they can do anything, or because people just decide that accommodating themselves to Capital is just a better idea than not doing so (not necessarily mutually exclusive options here btw), it none-the-less appears to be the reality of the American political trajectory.
I think it is. Look through some of Pew's polls from the last few years, for example. Or look at this poll looking at the reasons for Biden's low approval ratings across different demographics.
It's a pretty persistent pattern I've noticed. And a weird one. Left-wing politics (talking about things like self-professed support for socialism and attitudes toward billionaires) tend to be more popular with the groups you'd expect: women, PoC, lower-income workers, queer people, etc. But age tends to be one of the stronger predictors. There are economic factors, and others like racial diversity, but I think the internet being more permeable to dissenting views (still mostly controlled by corporations though it is) is another.
Or even if it is, it’s actually not the case that boomers, or anyone older than a millennial at any rate, have (as a broad demographic) always had the political constitution that they currently do.
Both age and generation are factors. Politics tend to shift to the right with age, but attitudes also shift generationally, the trend being leftward over the last few. Only a slight majority of people supported the civil rights act at the time, for example. Compare with today. I don't think most Boomers were ever particularly left-wing, even when they were young.
The reality appears to be that the populace of the country as a whole only becomes more reactionary as conditions worsen.
Can you substantiate this? Because politics on the whole have shifted pretty dramatically left (insofar as socialist politics exist again for the first time in like 60 years) within the last eight years or so, while living conditions have declined dramatically. And I'm talking about public attitudes and organizing, not US policy, which we know has next to nothing to do with the popular will (dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) and is still dominated by the older generations. Fascists have become more emboldened, but they're still a minority, and they skew disproportionately older.
I guess this is my answer here, all I can do is look at the people in my immediate vicinity (I don't exactly live in a major city here, nor do I work in a white-collar field), and tell you that I am in no-way surprised by the outcomes of the polls here; and I also don't think that anybody that I know personally are substantially to the left (let alone more prone to organizing, probably less so tbh) than anybody in the Boomer generation was at our age; and a lot of the people I know don't even necessarily have their own home.
Perhaps geography, and proximity to the city has a larger impact on these things than intergenerational politics does. That's my perception of the matter.
The only thing that surprised me is the glowing approval of the police and Amazon. That's really shocking.
And the opposition to protesting outside of houses is disappointing, but not surprising. We have a long ways to go.
But at the same time, this stuff is super malleable. Most people locally and nationally supported the burning of that Minneapolis police precinct, for example.
Too bad the results aren't broken down by age. Age seems to usually be the biggest factor (besides party affiliation, ofc) in political opinion polls. And, you know, the youth are more relevant to the medium- and long-term trajectory of the country.
I wasn't surprised. Propaganda is strong, and Amazon is the primary treat supply platform to large swathes of Americans.
But I actually don't think I've ever seen any positive coverage of Amazon anywhere. Where is the propaganda? The closest thing I can remember was that bullshit HQ competition. All the stuff I see people talk about (IRL or in non-political spaces online) is either Bezos' obscene wealth or workers dropping dead in warehouses or drivers pissing in bottles. Bezos doesn't even have the cult of personality that Musk has.
You know, I think it might have to do with the ambiguity of the question. Like, do they like Amazon as a company, or as a service? Like, I guess I like the website? It's pretty convenient? But that's not the same as liking what they do.
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Remember the Amazon influencers with fake photos and names like darla at Amazon FC #9?
High level propaganda ops lmao
That's all most people think about. The Website. They click, treats arrive.
It's really, really hard to imagine how little people even in more engaged countries than the USA think about news or politics. Most people decide who to vote for on the day they vote. Most people aren't that interested in the news, even what we think of as tabloid news. A significant proportion of Americans still think Russia is Communist.
Heck I once knew a girl who didn't know we'd gone to space. Not "it's a conspiracy". She thought NASA was something from a TV show.
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Police less so but Amazon is shocking to me. I’ve basically never known anyone whose opinion on Amazon isn’t between “I still use it because it’s way cheaper and more convenient than alternatives, but they’re absolutely evil” and “Guillotine Jeff Bezos”
probably because you aren't a boomer. I've seen some with piles of Amazon boxes stacked up in their garage. It's like home network shopping but on crack. They probably don't even think about what goes on to get those boxes to them
New idea: We take Florida and we put everyone over the age of 60 there and don’t let them leave, and then the rest of us can finally have a functional society.
Yes! Wrt the police, I thought it would be more mixed. Partly because of the recent Uvalde stuff drawing more outrage, but partly because those protests were only a couple years ago and most people approved of them at the time. Plus, I actually don't know anyone but chuds (less than 40% of the population) who even like cops. Was expecting more ambivalence.
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I don't know that that's true, tbh. Or even if it is, it's actually not the case that boomers, or anyone older than a millennial at any rate, have (as a broad demographic) always had the political constitution that they currently do. The reality appears to be that the populace of the country as a whole only becomes more reactionary as conditions worsen. Whether that's because everyone who isn't just fucking dies before they can do anything, or because people just decide that accommodating themselves to Capital is just a better idea than not doing so (not necessarily mutually exclusive options here btw), it none-the-less appears to be the reality of the American political trajectory.
I think it is. Look through some of Pew's polls from the last few years, for example. Or look at this poll looking at the reasons for Biden's low approval ratings across different demographics.
It's a pretty persistent pattern I've noticed. And a weird one. Left-wing politics (talking about things like self-professed support for socialism and attitudes toward billionaires) tend to be more popular with the groups you'd expect: women, PoC, lower-income workers, queer people, etc. But age tends to be one of the stronger predictors. There are economic factors, and others like racial diversity, but I think the internet being more permeable to dissenting views (still mostly controlled by corporations though it is) is another.
Both age and generation are factors. Politics tend to shift to the right with age, but attitudes also shift generationally, the trend being leftward over the last few. Only a slight majority of people supported the civil rights act at the time, for example. Compare with today. I don't think most Boomers were ever particularly left-wing, even when they were young.
Can you substantiate this? Because politics on the whole have shifted pretty dramatically left (insofar as socialist politics exist again for the first time in like 60 years) within the last eight years or so, while living conditions have declined dramatically. And I'm talking about public attitudes and organizing, not US policy, which we know has next to nothing to do with the popular will (dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) and is still dominated by the older generations. Fascists have become more emboldened, but they're still a minority, and they skew disproportionately older.
I guess this is my answer here, all I can do is look at the people in my immediate vicinity (I don't exactly live in a major city here, nor do I work in a white-collar field), and tell you that I am in no-way surprised by the outcomes of the polls here; and I also don't think that anybody that I know personally are substantially to the left (let alone more prone to organizing, probably less so tbh) than anybody in the Boomer generation was at our age; and a lot of the people I know don't even necessarily have their own home.
Perhaps geography, and proximity to the city has a larger impact on these things than intergenerational politics does. That's my perception of the matter.
Hey, I'm opposed to protesting outside of houses!
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Because we should be protesting inside of their houses :fidel-cool: