military Amazon and police
Just burn the country down and start again. There is no saving that place.
Bleak shit. Whats also hilarious is that overturning roe v wade has pretty much had no impact on people's voting intentions, despite dem hopes it would galvanize some mythical set of voters. But the power of right wing media is astonishing: a majority of voters, even 60% of dems, believe abortion should be possible no longer than 15 weeks of pregnancy, even tho roe allowed up to 24. And 15 is an arbitrary limit, that with enough spin can get cut down to 12, to 10, to 6...
That is truly bizarre. I’ve only ever seen one person say anything positive about Amazon, and that was my now-dead father in law. Every single other person I’ve ever spoken to says “fuck Amazon. I still use it because it’s vastly easier and cheaper than alternative options, but holy shit they’re evil”
The biggest legislative accomplishments Dems have passed in my lifetime are things the GOP wanted to do, but the Dems are just too radical, apparently.
America is full of incognizant yokels. :jokerfied:
America is full of incognizant yokels.
Truly we are the harbingers of the devolution of Political Man.
The only thing that surprised me is the glowing approval of the police and Amazon. That's really shocking.
And the opposition to protesting outside of houses is disappointing, but not surprising. We have a long ways to go.
But at the same time, this stuff is super malleable. Most people locally and nationally supported the burning of that Minneapolis police precinct, for example.
Too bad the results aren't broken down by age. Age seems to usually be the biggest factor (besides party affiliation, ofc) in political opinion polls. And, you know, the youth are more relevant to the medium- and long-term trajectory of the country.
I wasn't surprised. Propaganda is strong, and Amazon is the primary treat supply platform to large swathes of Americans.
But I actually don't think I've ever seen any positive coverage of Amazon anywhere. Where is the propaganda? The closest thing I can remember was that bullshit HQ competition. All the stuff I see people talk about (IRL or in non-political spaces online) is either Bezos' obscene wealth or workers dropping dead in warehouses or drivers pissing in bottles. Bezos doesn't even have the cult of personality that Musk has.
You know, I think it might have to do with the ambiguity of the question. Like, do they like Amazon as a company, or as a service? Like, I guess I like the website? It's pretty convenient? But that's not the same as liking what they do.
Remember the Amazon influencers with fake photos and names like darla at Amazon FC #9?
High level propaganda ops lmao
That's all most people think about. The Website. They click, treats arrive.
It's really, really hard to imagine how little people even in more engaged countries than the USA think about news or politics. Most people decide who to vote for on the day they vote. Most people aren't that interested in the news, even what we think of as tabloid news. A significant proportion of Americans still think Russia is Communist.
Heck I once knew a girl who didn't know we'd gone to space. Not "it's a conspiracy". She thought NASA was something from a TV show.
Heck I once knew a girl who didn’t know we’d gone to space. Not “it’s a conspiracy”. She thought NASA was something from a TV show.
Big :you-are-a-serf: Energy
Police less so but Amazon is shocking to me. I’ve basically never known anyone whose opinion on Amazon isn’t between “I still use it because it’s way cheaper and more convenient than alternatives, but they’re absolutely evil” and “Guillotine Jeff Bezos”
probably because you aren't a boomer. I've seen some with piles of Amazon boxes stacked up in their garage. It's like home network shopping but on crack. They probably don't even think about what goes on to get those boxes to them
New idea: We take Florida and we put everyone over the age of 60 there and don’t let them leave, and then the rest of us can finally have a functional society.
Yes! Wrt the police, I thought it would be more mixed. Partly because of the recent Uvalde stuff drawing more outrage, but partly because those protests were only a couple years ago and most people approved of them at the time. Plus, I actually don't know anyone but chuds (less than 40% of the population) who even like cops. Was expecting more ambivalence.
Too bad the results aren’t broken down by age. Age seems to usually be the biggest factor
I don't know that that's true, tbh. Or even if it is, it's actually not the case that boomers, or anyone older than a millennial at any rate, have (as a broad demographic) always had the political constitution that they currently do. The reality appears to be that the populace of the country as a whole only becomes more reactionary as conditions worsen. Whether that's because everyone who isn't just fucking dies before they can do anything, or because people just decide that accommodating themselves to Capital is just a better idea than not doing so (not necessarily mutually exclusive options here btw), it none-the-less appears to be the reality of the American political trajectory.
I don’t know that that’s true, tbh.
I think it is. Look through some of Pew's polls from the last few years, for example. Or look at this poll looking at the reasons for Biden's low approval ratings across different demographics.
It's a pretty persistent pattern I've noticed. And a weird one. Left-wing politics (talking about things like self-professed support for socialism and attitudes toward billionaires) tend to be more popular with the groups you'd expect: women, PoC, lower-income workers, queer people, etc. But age tends to be one of the stronger predictors. There are economic factors, and others like racial diversity, but I think the internet being more permeable to dissenting views (still mostly controlled by corporations though it is) is another.
Or even if it is, it’s actually not the case that boomers, or anyone older than a millennial at any rate, have (as a broad demographic) always had the political constitution that they currently do.
Both age and generation are factors. Politics tend to shift to the right with age, but attitudes also shift generationally, the trend being leftward over the last few. Only a slight majority of people supported the civil rights act at the time, for example. Compare with today. I don't think most Boomers were ever particularly left-wing, even when they were young.
The reality appears to be that the populace of the country as a whole only becomes more reactionary as conditions worsen.
Can you substantiate this? Because politics on the whole have shifted pretty dramatically left (insofar as socialist politics exist again for the first time in like 60 years) within the last eight years or so, while living conditions have declined dramatically. And I'm talking about public attitudes and organizing, not US policy, which we know has next to nothing to do with the popular will (dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) and is still dominated by the older generations. Fascists have become more emboldened, but they're still a minority, and they skew disproportionately older.
I guess this is my answer here, all I can do is look at the people in my immediate vicinity (I don't exactly live in a major city here, nor do I work in a white-collar field), and tell you that I am in no-way surprised by the outcomes of the polls here; and I also don't think that anybody that I know personally are substantially to the left (let alone more prone to organizing, probably less so tbh) than anybody in the Boomer generation was at our age; and a lot of the people I know don't even necessarily have their own home.
Perhaps geography, and proximity to the city has a larger impact on these things than intergenerational politics does. That's my perception of the matter.
And the opposition to protesting outside of houses is disappointing, but not surprising. We have a long ways to go.
Brace Belden serf rant goes here
And the opposition to protesting outside of houses is disappointing, but not surprising.
Hey, I'm opposed to protesting outside of houses!
spoiler
Because we should be protesting inside of their houses :fidel-cool:
Bernie, one of the most popular politicians in the country: minus 12
Amazon, the firm which will one day reduce you to peeing into a bottle: plus 56
:I'm in danger:
Most favorable INSTITUTIONS in America ranked are:
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Military
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Amazon?????
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Police
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There are some pretty pog figures in this.
24% find NATO unfavourable. This is higher than I would have expected for fucking :amerikkka: 1 in 4 is fucking good.
1 in 10 are pro-Russia. I'm not, but that's a surprisingly high figure.
How the fuck are 25% of people saying they'll vote for Kamala if Biden doesn't run? What the fuck is that shit. Why does this muppet have a real base of support? Juan Guaido has more charisma. Is this literally "It's her turn" 2.0 ?
How the fuck are 25% of people saying they’ll vote for Kamala if Biden doesn’t run? What the fuck is that shit. Why does this muppet have a real base of support?
The "vote blue no matter who" contingent. Those people would vote for George W Bush if he ran as a dem.
I'm not sure opinion polls matter at all, go back and look at all the Dem primary polls, the popularity of Bernie's proposals, and look at the end result. Nothing fucking matters.
Nothing will be done about climate change and that is the only thing that realy matters, everything else is a damn circus. The most favorable politician chart randomly including Putin is just the author's own bias coming in lol.
Those prior results could imply that the polls are meaningless. They could also imply that the polls are biased to the left, and the real feeling is to the right. And if that's the case, we are in v bad shape ( different polling could have different biases, though, obviously.)
or it could mean the liberal scaremongering and wagon-circling worked. If trump's covid response wasn't a factor, either because the pandemic didn't happen or somebody told him he could make a killing on masks, i think biden would've managed a loss.
There are many reasons pills are wrong, but the salient fact for organizing is that they are ridiculously malleable and incoherent generally. I can and have convinced many libs that explicitly disagree with nearly everything about a socialist candidate... to enthusiastically say they'll vote for that candidate because we had a nice rapport and I agreed with some nonsense they were saying and backed off on everything untill we found one shared position. We've all seen 180s happen rapidly, and the example of the George Floyd protests was a clear double-whammy: overwhelming support for police before, then middling during, then overwhelming again, particularly in cities. This also applies to war: supposedly against it in theory, but become bloodthirsty jingoists so long as the narrative is right, then regret later on for most. Regret that never turns into a consistent anti-war position. Regret that is media-manufactured via rationalizations for why it failed to meet "our goals", rationalizations about efficiency rather than the destruction of countries. Just like the support was media-manufactured. Just like the general opposition to war, in theory, was manufactured.
You could also look at the breakneck speed of "we must defend Ukraine and save those people" as compared to the US-supported genocide in Yemen. Americans can't find either on a map and know nothing about either. They just get jerked around by propaganda up until it becomes too inconsistent for them and then they have a breakdown and start getting into conspiracy theories or burn out.
Another lovely example is how COVID is now just "over" in the US via a concerted propaganda campaign.
That economy chart is hilarious. It flips to a weak perception the instant Biden gets into office. He must have hit the communism button.
Mike pence sitting in the top 3 most popular political leaders just like “well… how did I get here?”
I honestly just don’t believe large parts of this poll. For example it says 47% favorable for the Supreme Court, but didn’t the Supreme Court just recently hit a 25% approval rating or something close to that? And the Amazon approval also seems fucking impossible.
I think their sample was very skewed.
this is the most likely outcome :doomjak:
GOP has 7% higher approval rating than dems
41% of GOP AND independent voters want trump for primaries, most of the rest will follow after trump wins primary
dems have lost too much confidence from their constituents to win another most important election of our lives
the people who are most likely to have access to voting are the ones who want a fully fascist amerika
we have to be prepared for the worst bc thats whats gonna happen
"all models are wrong, but some are useful". Polls can never capture the complexities of reality, but they can certainly point in an approximate direction
