arent the oldest gen z in their mid 20s? bit early to be handwringing about this but i assume millennials are also not really having kids at the same rate as Xers and boomers.
Most people I know that did have kids didn't do so until their early 30s, about half of those that did are also housing insecure and the other half have close to 6 figure incomes.
This shit is so tiresome. Fix material conditions that's literally it
They're just taking articles from the mid 2010s about millennials not having kids or fuckin and just find and replacing millennial with zoomer.
Then they wonder why it just keeps happening
Now that Abe is dead the curse of not boning should be lifted, right? Right?
life for zoomer has been like this so yeah, of course they ain't fuckin'Gen Z is too young to even have stats on this. There is a decline in TFR due to the contradictions of capitalism so I expect this will be the case, but how can you say this when the oldest zoomers just reached average childbearing age?
The 27 stat seems a few years old, 2022 census has median child bearing at 30
So half of the people have kids later than that. An average isn't a median.
You've got it mixed up, if the median age was 27 half would be younger. With the average, it's possible only 40% are younger, but they are having them significantly younger. Maybe 40% have kids at 22, and 60% at 29.
there's some confederate states where they keep stats on repeat teen pregnancy so that might mess up the math a bit
You're right, I'm in no state to be making posts where I say math stuff rn. Ten hour absolutely brutal kitchen day. I did the thing I was calling out.
Yea which means iridaniotter was correct in saying the oldest zoomers just reach average childbearing age.
Yes but we all know that statistic is already skewed due to people having children at an older age than past generations. If they’re reaching the average childbearing age now, that’s already older than past averages. I guess I’m more so commenting on the part where they said how it was possible to have statistics on this when Gen Z is barely at average childbearing age. It’s possible because they’re comparing it to past generations.
Roughly two-thirds of 25-29 year olds are childless, and we have no idea what % of that two-thirds will choose to have kids in their 30's
Yes that means they’re already older than previous generations for having children that’s my point.
I thought your point is gen z's old enough now to have stats on if they'll have kids or not. I'm saying we'll have to wait until they're several years older to get an idea on if they're never having them or just pushing it off
Also, the oldest, borderline gen zers will have very similar numbers to the youngest millennials. you'd wanna get a scope of middle gen z and the average zoomer is still like 19/20
The point of the initial poster was that how can you know what the trend for having children at whatever age is already for Gen Z if they just reached the average age to have children? But they’re already trending older than the average of past generations. You don’t really need to wait another 5 or 10 years, the trend is already there and the causes for that trend don’t look to be going away anytime soon.
Aren't they at most...25? I mean most people just don't want to have kids that young anyways?
there is some weird blood and soil type shit going around lately i wouldnt be surprised
Hmm...I wonder why the birth rate has been declining since 1950...Can't have anything to do with declining material conditions, can it?
It's less due to raw material conditions and more due to growing contradiction between socialized production and private reproduction. That's why peasants had much bigger birth rates while having worse quality of life.
Wouldn't that have also been due to the fact that infant mortality was absolutely awful back in those days?
I just got into an argument with my mom about this video. I'm Gen X and I can BARELY afford to take care of myself, so I can't have kids. She's 70 YEARS OLD and has to go back to work, otherwise I have to keep a roof over her head with my wages and that's not working out anymore. But she seems to think Gen Z will have kids if they want to, that they can should have kids, talking about freezing embryos. What!? There's probably not going to be a habitable planet in 30 years, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING? She's always been one to bury her head and be in denial about shit, but this a level of copium I haven't seen before. The material conditions are crumbling around you and you tell me that?!?
Fuck.
27? Really? Pretty sure that's a young millennial. I'm 24 and I feel like I'm barely gen z.
yeah it's 1996-2012, altho i'd say people close to the edge (like '96-99 or '09-12) are kinda in between generational culture and more zillennial or zalpha than proper zoomers. I'm core gen z and I think pretty much everyone my age would assume 25+ as millennial
Idk, at least in the US, the cultural marker for the millenial/genz divide was "do you remember 9/11?" Someone born in 1996 definitely remembers 9/11.
protip, dont worry about it, it's irrelevant (its still fun to call people boomers though)
Give me a chance for a habitable biosphere and maybe I'd be inclined to create people to habitate it. You [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] that should be [redacted] into the closest pit, trench, cistern or bog.
Whoa, let's not pollute our cisterns or stress our delicate bog ecosystems if we can help it
Weird, I guess it's the whole thing where dating apps are intentionally designed to retain users and therefore revenue, but none of the people in my orbit who are child-free or would rather not reproduce can find others. They get likes and they're all from people who list "want kids".
I have yet to see someone explain to why anyone who is not a white nationalist, a religious nut, or a capitalist, should give a rip about whether why people aren't having kids.
I think it only matters in so much as it is a reflection on the general well being of a population; people have kids when they feel optimistic for the future, and have their needs met. In my view it isn't so much a desired end state as it is a barometer in the health of a society
