• huf [he/him]
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        vor 2 Jahren

        IIRC they didnt go further west mainly because they had to go back home to VOTE for the next removed khan

    • soft [she/her]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      any time bad stuff happens to us we just sublimate it into more contempt for the poor.

      • Bobson_Dugnutt [he/him]
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        vor 2 Jahren

        Or it's swept under the rug and forgotten about like the War of 1812 and the Korean War. Or there's the "stabbed in the back" narrative like how the hippies ruined the Vietnam War which we were totally winning

      • TechnologyMoth [comrade/them,any]
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        vor 2 Jahren

        westerners have deified themselves, it's just racism all the way down. the emotional trauma 7-11 is somehow greater than having your entire country blown up

    • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      Europe, Winter 2022 and beyond

      The western US when all the water mismanagement comes to a head

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      glances at COVID, at the energy price shocks stemming from every conflict dating from Iran to Ukraine/Russia, and at the cumulative effects from climate change

      :-/

  • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Lol, say that to a Chinese person and see how they react, say that to a Chinese-American and see how they react.

    My dad is a Clinton-loving Chinese American who immigrated here 30 years ago. He has never raised his fists in anger in his life. He would sock Noah Smith in his pastey-ass face if he said that to him.

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      This but unironically.

      Covid has shown the level that Americans actually care about their fellow citizens dying, so I don’t ever want to hear about 9/11 again. The scale is so small and also we fucking deserved it. We’re having a 9/11 every week and no one gives a fuck. I will only accept anyone now having a problem with 9/11 if they are the most angry person about covid I’ve ever seen. Otherwise the only opinion you’re allowed to have about 9/11 is “It sure did happen”

      Also, it’s not like the World Trade Center was an innocent civilian target or anything, it was one of the headquarters of global capital and western hegemony.

  • Tervell [he/him]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Chinese historians pointing out the horrible effects of imperialism and colonialism on their country and its people - stewing

    Americans murdering millions and destroying several countries because literally less than 3000 people got killed in a terrorist attack - not stewing

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      A terrorist attack on a very valid target, one of the headquarters of global capital and western hegemony. The 9/11 hijackers had very reasonable, valid, targets, which were basically 2 of the buildings no one should feel bad about killing people inside of: The World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

      It’s just a shame the Pentagon attack wasn’t more successful.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        vor 2 Jahren

        A terrorist attack on a very valid target

        They were highly symbolic. But you'd have killed more high profile politicians and executives if you'd hit Yankee Stadium during a big game or perhaps Yale University during alumni night. Very few people of note actually died in the WTC because the offices were kinda shit and all the big money guys had their own buildings elsewhere.

        The Pentagon and the WH were easier to argue. But they were also much harder targets to penetrate, as evidenced by the failure of the Pentagon plane to do any serious damage and the WH plane to reach its target.

        As a military exercise, 9/11 really was a modern day Pearl Harbor in so far as it provided ample causa belli without doing anything to meaningfully disrupt the MIC or the war profiteers behind it.

  • HarryLime [any]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Yeah the Opium Wars were shitty but they were just isolated events and nothing bad really happened after that as a direct result of Imperialism

  • plov_mix [comrade/them]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Checks out — 1 mill died of Covid over the last two years and many yanks already forgot. Of course they don’t understand anything close to trauma

    In Chinese we describe such utter apathy and lack of shame as 没心没肺 “without heart or lungs.”

      • plov_mix [comrade/them]
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        vor 2 Jahren

        Lol I honestly can’t think of any rationale … probably more just cuz the lung is close to the heart, and idioms typically have four characters to achieve some kind of witty rhythm. But yeah I’ve never thought of the cultural significance of lungs

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Idk Noah, it seems like they don't want it to happen again? Like as in they are attempting learn something from history rather than just repeating it?

    • BrookeBaybee [she/her,love/loves]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      Silly Leftist, the only thing you can learn from history is a set of discrete facts that you can use to wow your friends and have no relation to the world of today because we fixed all of that

  • The_Walkening [none/use name]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Yes sitting around moping about the 'Century of Humiliation' is bad when that humiliation has no relation to economics or world history or the hegemonic pursuits of white people.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Of course the Ukrainian flag emoji. :sus-soviet:

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    vor 2 Jahren

    Caring about things from before we were born is just a scam foisted on us by Big History.

    Also, what the shit there are still surviving Chinese veterans of WWII so a bunch of this shit is literally within living memory.