There is no number of foreigners that is unacceptable to sacrifice for a middle class livelihood. Anti-cop because they can imagine a scenario where a cop inconveniences them. These principles don't apply to the Waffen SS because they can't imagine a soldier personally inconveniencing them and, of course, foreigners aren't really humans.
"I had no choice" no the choice you had was to remain poor like the people you murdered who didn't happen to have a Nazi jobs program they could sign up for.
"Sorry Afghan civilian, my free college is worth more than your life."
Drone operators when they see a child in the strike zone
Weighing how much fun I'll have at frat parties later vs how sad that kids parents will be picking up their body parts. Oh well click the button.
the bike comic but in reverse. "i figure i'm happier with my money and education than those kids would be with their lives. so whatever"
That's not really a choice, the way America is structured.
Yes it is. You can actually work for McDonalds instead of killing people to get an engineering degree.
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Here's the thing: you're not owed a middle class existence. If your options are "murder people" or "not become middle class" you're an evil person if you take the murder option. None of the people veterans murdered had options to "escape poverty."
Do you make these same excuses for cops?
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No there are plenty of poor people who don't die. I'm one of them.
I'm not a new account.
You were never going to die of poverty. You're inventing stakes to excuse your Global Cop dad or whatever. Most people who join the military are not poor even by American standards.
You're a chauvinist who thinks that foreigners are not equivalent to Americans.
If the stakes are "kill or be killed" then it's death to Americans, Hitlerite.
I'm gonna be honest here, this; I think that this is crank shit. You didn't have to go there, and you should know that the core premise here is literally not even correct; and everything that I have ever read about any real AES project tells me that they also know that. They just want Americans to stop fucking with their people & their internal development as a society, which they are correct to want.
I don't even disagree with your points about people "not being owed a middle-class lifestyle", and I do not give a shit about "Johnny America" and his projected guilt about whatever war-crimes he did. These are people that in a just world ought to face a revolutionary committee. But I don't agree that there's any value in buying into a framework of "Existential Struggle of Nations" weird-shit, even as a rhetorical device.
The comment's been removed, so you may not be aware, but they were the one who made the stakes "kill or be killed." I'm pretty sure I was even quoting them there.
If their argument is that it's ok for Americans to join the military and kill people abroad because otherwise they'll die, then that's the framework I'm going to respond to.
You can respond to it, by saying that it is in fact bullshit, and leaving it at that.
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Don't care Hitlerite
Come on this is sad. At least Ukrainians and Russians have the excuse of conscription in the latest war, Americans don't even have that.
You think people in the global south aren't also being killed by the system? Have you seen how the average informal settlement of shacks or township looks? Have you lived in one?
Well why the fuck not? It’s the exact same situation, except cops are less likely to actually kill people. Cops kill lots of people, soldiers kill way more. They’re both ways to “escape poverty” by becoming a weapon of oppression.
ACAB goes double for soldiers. Honestly if someone was calling for the summary execution of every American soldier and veteran I’d say “That might be going a little bit far, but I support it”
Its worse actualy, the choice is between enlisting and possibly having a crappy life thats still COMFORTABLY better than the living conditions of most people the US army kills and immiserates around the globe. The choice almost never is "enlist or live like a middle eastern poor person"
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Yeah I think it's better to not murder people than to murder people. Wacky, I know.
Is it acceptable to become a cop to "escape poverty?"
Neither cops nor the military are good, participating in both makes a person a bastard. But how can you at the same time say "these people should stay in poverty", when that's the whole point of the police and military in the first place?
Noone should be poor, cops and troops are bastards.
Because we live in reality as it exists right now. If you are faced with the choice of joining the Waffen SS or not joining the Waffen SS, the moral choice is the latter.
No argument there, I just think saying people should be in poverty for the sake of their own morality is kinda fucked up. Poverty isn't an excuse to join the military, but the prospect of someone doing so certainly isn't an excuse to say that someone should stay poor. They're just morally better off not joining. Also let's be real a lot of people who did join are still poor so it did jack shit for them.
if you think US troops live in 'grinding poverty' you should see how their victims live.