eg “not all men” weirdos

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Edit: to further clarify the example above since it set off some brainworms, this can be seen when people respond to discussions about patriarchy and the way it shapes toxic masculinity with defensive “not all men” statements.

When we discuss systems, we are aware that not everyone who has privilege within them internalizes it the same way.

Men are not somehow evil. Masculinity is not somehow evil. Feminism is about liberation of everyone from patriarchy. The issue is that you can wind up needing to “protect” or cater to very fragile expectations of individuals and that can sometimes wind up recentering discussion on purely men and their feelings about patriarchy.

That is an important aspect of the discussion, but it cannot be the only one. Given that one of the patriarchal behaviors that many men are taught is to talk over anyone who is not a man, space must be intentionally created for others.

Anyway, this would be better covered in a dedicated effort post on feminism and positive masculinity.

This is however a meme featuring Josie and the pussy cats with a comments section that proves the meme is accurate lol

    • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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      vor 2 Jahren

      Btw men suck, white people suck, Christians suck, conservatives suck, cis people suck, straight people suck!!!

      If you get mad at me then you’re just a reactionary because I’m doing systemic critique

      where did I say any of those things? Also conservatives do, in fact, suck

                • ShittyWallpaper [they/them]
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                  vor 2 Jahren

                  Have you ever had to actually organize with conservatives? Some of them have no issue putting aside culture war shit in order to negotiate better wages, but some of them actively disrupt meetings and alienate other coworkers because they won’t shut the fuck up about the gay agenda. And yeah, those people suck.

                  • zeal0telite [he/him,they/them]
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                    vor 2 Jahren

                    That's when you tell them to shut the fuck up and realise they're wrecking.

                    That's why you have to approach them, speak with them like they're people, and help them develop proper consciousness.

                    You also do the same with progressives starting shit as well.

                • HamManBad [he/him]
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                  vor 2 Jahren

                  This post isn't condemning their morality, it's asking them to reflect on why they feel personally attacked by systemic critiques

                • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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                  vor 2 Jahren

                  Worshipping the proletariat as is, as a concept, and thinking that any understanding of society that they wouldn't like is bad or counterproductive is tailism.

                  Conservatism sucks. White fragility sucks. The fact that some members of the proletariat are conservative or fragile white babies does not change that.

        • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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          vor 2 Jahren

          if someone is too reactionary and brainwormed to view the rights of marginalized people as worth fighting for, then they’re useless to any broader socialist movements.

          to put it simply, we have no obligation to include those who wish for our extermination.