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Chiropractors unironically get the wall. Absolutely disgusting practice. Pure quackery at a premium price.
Never forget that the founder of Chiropractic learned how to do it from a ghost in a dream. Just absolute bullshit.
I actually didn't know the ghost dream part. Basically the Jeepers of physical therapy then.
Chiropractors are dangerous quacks and it's shocking that they're allowed to exist
The fact that Americans automatically associate back pain treatment with chiropractors is indeed disturbing.
It's because of our efficient healthcare system :what-the-hell:
They deserve a cervical adjustment over the door to their "clinics" as a warning to others. I hate them more than any other kind of quack. Absolute unforgivable child-murdering parasites.
It might sound extreme, but as someone with a messed up back I agree with you. I've never visited a chiropractor and have no plans to do so in the future
The way they prey on that legitimate suffering to sell bullshit based on horseshit is so morally depraved. Letting that fester as if it has any legitimacy only set us up for them to become a nexus point for COVID denialism. Whatever violence stops them saves their victims and there are more of those than there are chiropractors. :stalin-gun-1: :shrug-outta-hecks:
Like look at this shit
https://youtu.be/ll4D3hV_Xxo
You can't change wedge shaped vertebrae with chiropractic manipulations wtf aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
They literally prey on parents to bring in infants, some with cerebral palsy.
I know, they prey on chronically ill people too. Their defenders were all over the subreddits for chronic illness and spinal deformities back when I used :reddit-logo:.
Medical quackery in general is outrageous but Chiro takes it to the next level.
Chiropractor: spends hundreds/thousands of dollars to become "certified" to do some voodoo neck readjustment shit because my spine isn't aligned with the stars or the trajectory of the sun or some shit
Me: spends $40 on some weed and smokes a fat bowl that numbs my back pain long enough for me to stretch and relieve my pain and increase my mobility
:stalin-smokin:
At the very best, a chiropractor will just be an over priced massage therapist with some basic sports medicine stuff. At the worst they'll fuck you up in ways that shouldn't be possible.
Just go to a massage therapist. I don't even know if massage therapy is real or bullshit but presumably you'll get a nice massage out of it.
Like, literally, knots do form in muscles in places that its just easier to work out by having somebody else do the rubbing. So 100% useful if can stand people rubbing you and hurting you at the same time.
idk if it was a knot in the muscle or what but I had chronic leg pain in my right calf that literally lasted for over a year and would keep me up at night, not like super painful but just always noticeable, centered around what felt like a golf ball sized area in the center of my calf, until I fucking rubbed and squeezed the everloving fuck out of it and it hurt so fucking bad like an 8/10 (10/10 is probably appendix almost exploding because my parents didn't want to listen to middle school me shouting "take me to the fucking hospital" until a nurse friend told them to) but then it finally went away forever except now I have a similar pain in my left calf and I really hate it
part of me was worried it was a blood clot or something but hey I didn't die of an embolism so score one for me ayyyyy
I had a similar issue when I threw my back out. I think it might have had something to do with the sciatic nerves that were being fucked by my slightly slipped disk. After I got to the point that my pack pain wasn't so insane the knot in my calf was less but still needed some deep tissue massaging to get the muscle to loosen up.
They're actually having trouble reproducing a lot of he findings about trigger points right now lol
Massage therapists and doctors of osteopathy (since they both use that particular therapy)
It freaked me out a bit that after a car accident, the lawyers insisted on a chiropractor rather then an actual doctor to see me first. They work together :/
lmao if there is a near-perfect litmus test for how insane a person is - probe them on if they see a chiropractor and/or have any feelings about them.
Thankfully my parents both work in medicine - with my dad doing radiology so I've always known chiropractors are make-believe. But, for example - in high school - I knew a cheerleader who'd go weekly to her 'family chiropractor' (truly don't understand how, as a parent, you'd wind up bringing your entire family to a chiropractor and don't realize its a racket lol. how does your entire family have back issues? ma'am your son is 3) and surprise surprise she was also the one who spent 15 minutes silently crying at her desk with her hands over her ears when we hit the evolution powerpoint in 10th grade Biology while the rest of the class & teacher rolled our eyes collectively lol.
Reminds me of a talk I had with someone about evolution. I pointed out that you can see birds or bugs that are clearly related to eachother but different, they said those were just microchanges and that didn't prove anything, and I pointed out that those microdifferences would snow ball over time. Apparently no one had explained it to her in that way because she immediately had this look of genuine distress like her entire worldview had just come crashing down.
If I wasn't such a nice person I would live for that "Oh god everything I've ever been taught is a lie and I am alone in a cold and indifferent universe" look people get when truth comes cutting through that bullshit like a nuke through a slice of salami.
My friend's ex wife wanted him to cough up $2500 so she could take a Reiki healing class where you just hover your hands over someone and channel your Naruto chakra. She also believes there's child slave colonies on Mars and stares into the sun because there's a conspiracy telling us it's bad to stare into the sun.
That's cool I want to fire a reiki gun too like Yusuke and Master Genkai -- not sure about the sun thing though as someone who is currently suffering from a scratch on my eye
I personally think that creationists should not be allowed to teach biology
Thankfully I was not taught biology by a creationist but a super intelligent dude who was conned into doing Teach 4 America right out of school and hated all of us with a passion because 95% of my classmates and teachers were creationists lol
Only good teach4America teacher.
I fucking hate that program. They're trying to de-professionalize teaching (well, they were, because they've succeeded) so they can kill teachers unions, lower wages, and make it easier to teach all kinds of wacky Bazinga/Fash bullshit.
Only good teach4America teacher.
:data-laughing: He was my second favorite teacher in HS - had him for the 2 years he was in the program and he made sure to tell us every chance he got that T4A was shit and he wouldn't have chosen to move from Boston to our hick town of ~20,000 willingly. Dude did truly care about teaching - but you could see the pain in his eyes whenever a kid with a lifted kitted-out Ford F150 asked him why he biked to school if our town didn't have any bike lanes in the roads.
He was my second favorite teacher in HS - had him for the 2 years he was in the program and he made sure to tell us every chance he got that T4A was shit and he wouldn’t have chosen to move from Boston to our hick town of ~20,000 willingly
wow it's like real life AP Bio the TV show
chiropractors aren't real doctors and are closer to charlatans in how they misrepresent the benefits of their "work". Apparently you have to keep coming back too or the effects goes away, so that will be another $100 for 30 minutes, repeated forever I guess.
and it's hilarious how pissed off people get when I remind them of this. No I will never be interested in "getting adjusted" Susan.
His maternal grandmother iirc, the trueanon lamest show on earth series has like half an episode talking about his fucked up ancestors
It's not 30mins. It's at most 10mins once you are a regular.
Love to go to a "doctor" where the schools that "train" them have a 100% acceptance rate. It must be because everyone applying is so gosh dang smart and not because of.....:capitalist-laugh:
ever since :amber: said that thing about how TCM being allowed/encouraged to persist because Mao realized in the immediate aftermath of the revolution, the infrastructure for public healthcare was nowhere near what it needed to be, so traditional/folk medicine was allowed/encouraged to became formalized and act as a bridge to modern medicine..... that interpretation has made me evaluate medical treatment in the west as very much a product of material reality and material conditions among those seeking treatment.
there is so much woo snake oil bullshit in the US and you can't tell me it's unrelated to how flat out inaccessible or otherwise troubled access is to quality healthcare. the "satisfaction" model of consumer-driven healthcare is absolutely a driver in this shit, whether it's people interpreting their satisfaction with woo shit (over the urgent care, over worked doc-in-a-box telling you to take an aleve and charging you $100) as proving its efficacy, or the eagerness that health providers/insurance companies have in prescribing opioids for pain as that's more profitable than physiotherapy.
like, you got in a car accident and jacked your back up. do you want to spend $100 a month to get strung out on oxys and be unable to work, or do you want to spend $100 a month on the local crank to talk to your bone ghosts and make you feel special. it's a shit deal, but at least the bone ghost guy isn't giving you poison that makes you fall asleep and piss yourself during your daughter's recital.
like, you got in a car accident and jacked your back up. do you want to spend $100 a month to get strung out on oxys and be unable to work, or do you want to spend $100 a month on the local crank to talk to your bone ghosts and make you feel special. it’s a shit deal, but at least the bone ghost guy isn’t giving you poison that makes you fall asleep and piss yourself during your daughter’s recital.
Isn't the answer "spend $100 a month going to a legitimate physical therapist"?
This isn't some either-or choice of get addicted to opiates vs. give money to a quack. There's the third-choice, real physical therapy.
Isn’t the answer “spend $100 a month going to a legitimate physical therapist”?'
this is america pal add some zeroes to that number :yea:
In some places you have to get a referral first or the insurance won't cover it, in which case your on the hook for hundreds to thousands of dollars.
definitely. it's not even a surprise anymore when a doctor recommends a course of treatment that is expensive (physiotherapy) that insurance defaults to rejecting it and it becomes a fight, during which time the patient is receiving no treatment or gambling that the insurer will reimburse them. because the provider is going to want to be paid immediately.
you're imagining someone who knows better, as opposed to a random american subjected to a shitty education and only aware of what is available based on advertising.
press any key to run the model again.
i know a girl who has regularly taken her (three!) kids to chiropractors since they were literally months old.
i really want to tell her that it's dumb and dangerous but she is also one of the dumbest fucking people i have ever met in my life and she has zero interest in learning anything from anyone who isn't a pastor. :shrug-outta-hecks:
i literally did not even know that was a word until just now
i'm not certain southern evangelicals would take too kindly to a trans religious leader but it might be worth a shot for the amusement factor alone
(i'd also have to learn spanish but that's been on my list of things to do anyway)
well you must have spoken it into being or something 'cause i looked it up and it's definitely a thing!
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That fucking boils my blood. Children's skeletons are basically made of sponge cake at that point. What the fuck are they adjusting?
i honestly don't know. maybe she thinks they're cracking the demons out or some shit.
I shouldn't be surprised but I am just so fucking happy and at ease to see everyone regarding chiropractic with its deserved scorn. For some fucking reason this is the one quack medicine for which even folks who tend to know better seem to fall. I love you hexbear.
cuz you can go to it and it feels like it has an immediate effect, so people assume there must be some kind of science to it
We took our infant to a chiropractor. She had trouble sleeping and would only sleep on one side. The chiropractor made a single adjustment to her neck and she slept fine afterwards and moved her head more freely. And that was it. We didn't get any woo about curing autism or cancer, nor did the chiropractor try to lure us into paying for recurring treatments.
Later I've learned that chiropracty is a really mixed bag. It started out as something just as insane as homeopathy with the added danger of messing up people's spines. Out of that steaming pile of shit grew a more realistic subset of chiropractors who realised that manipulating people's spines were only ever going to have an effect on issues with the spine and started moving towards the real medical profession. The snake oil salesmen and con artists are still around and there can be quite an overlap between the two groups.
In my country the snake oil people have a hard time, as chiropractor is a legally protected title that requires university training as well as authorisation and control by the health authorities. I've never heard of a chiropractor from here hurting or lying to people the way that a lot of them seems to do in the US.
Chiropracty in North America is more or less a result of one of Elon Musk's grifter ancestors pushing hard to get it recognized as a treatment. Pure snake oil.
Out of that steaming pile of shit grew a more realistic subset of chiropractors who realised that manipulating people’s spines were only ever going to have an effect on issues with the spine and started moving towards the real medical profession.
They realized that they'd paid a lot of money to learn a fraudulent medical proceedure and that someone was going to find out eventually so they decided to get out ahead of the lawsuits by saying "We don't believe any of that silly stuff about punching someone in the neck to cure blindness we only do the real stuff".
requires university training
Their "universities" are quack bullshit. They teach little or no actual medicine and it's all just a cover to get certified so they can start raking in money. I cannot emphasize enough that the entire "discipline" is bullshit top to bottom, no matter how they claim to have "fixed" their practices.
They're quacks. They're fakes. They're frauds. Go to a physical therapist, they're actual evidence based medicine.
There's a handful of chiros who are ethical about what they do but the woonatics seem to comprise the vast majority, at least in the U.S.
There’s a handful of chiros who are ethical about what they do
There absolute are not. The only good chiros are either dead or have left the profession.
He just locked his account because he was probably getting death threats from yuppies for calling out their conspiracy theories.
Once again I'm glad I've always been too poor to afford some of capitalism's more ghoulish stuff.
