I step out of Hexbear and into another instance for once and immediately get this shit lmao
I was letting off some steam about how sick and tired I am about working a shit job to make some asshole rich, and I made an off hand remark about how my employer probably belongs in a gulag. Further down the reply chain, this lemmitor asshole shows up to send me a whole tirade full of faux concern, breaking out the psychoanalysis to say I'm just an extremist full of unjustified hatred because I must be a bitter loser. Somehow they come up with this nuclear hot take comparing my anger at the capitalist class to a Christian fundamentalist hating gay people.
But the fucking cherry on the top here is sending me this comment as their very first interaction with me and proceeding to instantly block me to deny me the chance to reply at all. I've seen others use the block feature as a means of getting the last word in, but never to get both the first and last word in at the same time. And in the end, this self-unaware lib ends up calling me the overly self righteous one. Perfect.
Tbh, what gets me is that they were so fucking close to getting it. They almost came to an accurate understanding of the fact that my material conditions as a poor person getting fucked over day in and day out by my employer stealing my labor will heavily inform my politics. But of course they never quite reach that point, instead bizarrely veering off into psychologizing me, and acting like this is all just some sort of character flaw on my part.
Rule one: https://hexbear.net/comment/4738025
Shut the fuck up and go purge the neoliberal chauvinists from your instance. When it's actually more recognizable as being anarchist rather than "left-ish with red scare characteristics", we can talk.
"Your specific brand of 'leftism'" did not refer to "anarchism", it referred to your specific brand, which attracts absolute slime like we see in the OP for reasons that you would do well to figure out.
CC: @blashork@hexbear.net this is my reasoning. If insulting someone's boutique nominally-anarchist (actually bidenist) instance is sectarianism, I invite you to take whatever moderation actions you deem appropriate to defend its sordid sanctity.
Well good to know that it's that easy to work around your community rules by just re-labeling the target as "not real leftists". As is tradition of course. Carry on then.
And down goes the paper-thin mask
My sibling in Christ, when you're done pissing your pants over my meanie gatekeeping, try actually reading the comments in the OP. That person is a chauvinist explicitly defending the status quo by saying, in so many words, that all "extremists" are mentally-ill losers looking to power trip. Are you saying that it's newspeak revisionism to claim that a message like that is probably not leftist? Please, tell me where Kropotkin says that revolution is only supported by the bitterest dregs of society and therefore invalid.
Of course you have no problem with your own fucking redbashing, but opportunistically using this shallow patina of anti-sectarianism when it comes to Your Guys is apparently not below you.
Hey, "no sectarianism" is your rule, not ours. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy where the rules are easily bent by just arbitrary relabeling the other side. In truth, you never believed in "no sectarianism". You only use it to enforce groupthink.
In any case, your whole argument above fails since you generalized against our whole instance.
Lmao as if we don't argue with eachother on everything here
Yeah lmao what a dumbass, there is at least 1 struggle session going at all times, this bozo is all like:
"MUH GROUPTHINK IS WHEN THERE IS NO TRANSPHOBIA ON HECCKIN NARWHAL REDDIT CLONE!!"
All this self-victimizing when it would be so much easier to just ban a blatant chauvinist, but it's more important to you to own teh sectarian tankies than it is to actually administer your instance according to any set of leftist principles.
All this self-aggrandizement when it would be so much easier to just not generalize based on uncharitable interpretations, but it's more important to you to own teh liberals than it is to actually administer you community according to your own rules.
You're trying to do a "no u" here, but it fundamentally doesn't work on someone who has kept sight of the original object of dispute. The original object of dispute is the vile, reactionary tirade from the user linked in the OP who . . . let me check . . . still isn't banned! No action has been taken against them despite you clearly knowing about their little showing for days at this point.
It would have been so much less effort to say "Right, this user goes against the values of our instance, we're removing them now that this behavior has been brought to our attention," but for whatever reason you've instead chosen to sit here and mewl about sectarianism, uncharitability, hypocrisy, and so on. Don't worry, I know that you're only bringing them up because we profess to care about these things, they aren't actually things that you believe in or you might act on them. They are just conversational currency to weaponize, which is why other people have been calling you a redditor or a debate pervert or whatever, because they exhibit the same behavior of believing in nothing while trying to abuse the beliefs of their interlocutor.
But you can't muddy the waters here, the object of contention isn't being attacked for being anarchist or otherwise "the wrong sect" of leftism, it's being attacked for not being leftist. You can't get around this, because this person is opposed to the most fundamental basis of leftism by treating someone's status as a societal outcast as though it were a moral condition.
'If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.' -- some guy, idk
The heart of leftism is the recognition that there is darkness -- systemic oppression -- and seeking to remove it. The darkness of socially necessitated poverty, the darkness of an enclosed commons forcing every interaction to pass through the hands of rent-seeking middlemen, the darkness of false consciousness turning people against the marginalized and powerless as enemies.
You want this to be about tankies hating anarchists, but that's not what this is about because this dude isn't an anarchist! If anarchism means anything, and I believe that it does, then this guy isn't an anarchist. I don't know what he professes to be, but for any of these ideological terms to mean anything beyond consumer-identity, for them to mean something in a genuinely ideological, it follows of simple logical necessity that it's possible for someone to claim it and for that claim to be false. This guy is vilifying people who are left in darkness; Whatever he claims to be, he is a reactionary.
Furthermore, -- yes, I still have more to say because you've tried so hard to muddy the waters -- I have made no claim as to what the majority population of your instance is. When I am criticizing your instance, I am not criticizing an incident of its demographics, I am criticizing it systemically. Perhaps it is made mostly of anarchists, I neither know nor care, but if it is moderated in such a way where marginalized people aren't protected and this sort of vile reactionary rhetoric against them is allowed to go unchecked, the instance -- not the population on it, but the instance itself, as defined by its administration -- is not leftist. If anarchism actually means something to you, then that means actually having to follow leftist principles and not just cynically use it as conversational currency to attack people you dislike.
I don't hate anarchists. I wish that your instance actually was anarchist, but it evidently is not, given that you're apparently okay with this asshole being on it unimpeached.
It's just that we disagree what comments constitute "vile reactionary tirades". As always hexbears uncharitable interpret so that they escalate, so that they declare "liberalism" and high five in the dunk tank. Your judgements don't mean much outside of this space 🤷♂️
Likewise, not all leftist spaces immediately ban those with even slightest problematic viewpoints. Some of us take different praxis. Whose praxis is best, well let's just say it's not my instance that is pretty much globally reviled as a toxic source of drama and de-platformed from all interaction with the larger fediverse 🤷♂️
Our instance is anarchist, whether you like it or not. And as anarchist, it's also leftist. Your "no true anarchists" is as convincing as your "no true leftist". It's the classic sectarian playbook. Tacitly endorsed by this community
Btw, let me ask you this. Is the Chinese state also "fake leftists"?
as a fellow neoliberal (demon from hell), do you think people who vent about their boss on the internet should instead stfu, watch andrew tate and wash they genitals until it improoov their life enough to own the company itself?
I swear to god this guy is such a fraud it's insane.
lets report the creature lol these reddit neoliberal types are all the same, i mean
as if "the larger fediverse" is anything more than a bunch of terminally online rabidly neoliberal reddit rejects with 6 figure tech jobs whose opinions mean less than nothing
No. Then again, constantly wishing fascist re-education camps on people is not quite "venting against their boss"
nice stealth edit buddy boyo
Bosses aren't people.
Its ok to anonymously hyperbolically punch up against "people" who take the vast majority of your earnings and make your life a living hell.
Re-educating fascists to be not fascist... is not fascist.
Thank you for letting us know for certain that you are in agreement with that slimy neoliberal fuck and have thus been acting out of pure bad faith this entire time. "MUH SECRETARIANISM, MUH CHARITABILITY!!" lmao stfu you utter moron
well I sure do, and ill be getting an account on dbzer0 to talk down to poors (ick) so you better not ban me or delete a single one of my comments
You have no ideology other than contradicting muh tankies. Look at your pathetically trying to deflect to China and your beefing over instances. It's absurd, and pretending that liberals accepting you means you have "better Praxis" is a joke.
Attacking people for being marginalized is anti-leftism. If "left" means something, then it's possible to be anti-left. You yourself are making exactly the same fucking accusation about CHYNA being fake leftist at the same time as calling me sectarian! You don't believe in anything
In other comments you even tried to distance yourself from that user's remarks, but when it's pointed out to you that you hold responsibility for the account, you fucking double down on defending that bullshit as leftist. It's ridiculous.
Edit: This part is still bothering me:
But are you doing anything? Anything at all? It's not like you're going and having a talk with this dude, are you? So you're just letting reactionary shit fly unchallenged. Tell me, how could that be the enlightened pRaXiS that you claim it is?
Why are you not answering the question though. Is the Chinese state fake leftists? I assure you I have a point to make about your hypocrisy, not trying to deflect.
As always, I don't have responsibility for all statements in the instance. People hold their own opinions. I just don't interpret their comments are uncharitable as y'all do. Feel free to ask the user to elaborate on whether they "hate poor people" however. I tend to give the benefit of a doubt.
Again, just because you shout "reactionary shit" doesn't mean it is. I don't have the time nor inclination to play the secret police towards every commenter hexbears have a beef with.
Because it's off topic! What the fuck does China have to do with any of this?
That's a rhetorical question, it has nothing to do with this, and whatever concern-trolling you have about Uyghur genocide proving they are also anti-left is an appeal to hypocrisy, which is ultimately attacking my character but completely unrelated to the question at hand. Even if I say fucking Saudi Arabia is communist, that wouldn't change whether what I am saying here is true or not.
Yes you do, you control the platform. Someone who controls a platform is responsible for what is said on it.
What other interpretation is there for the comment? They've been prompted to elaborate and haven't said shit, but I think it speaks for itself. You keep retreating to vagaries. Do I need to reprint the comment for the benefit of your memory?
lmao Don't front like this, you have endless time for petty bullshit like this worthless argument, don't pretend you're too busy.
-- good leftism, no cause for concern
My argument since my first comment in this thread has always been that you're all a hypocritical lot. Your statement It will help me prove my point.
Lol nah. I just provide a service. I only control that people follow the rules we've set.
"...nor the inclination"
Implying they're a sad sack of shit? Dunno, ask them yourself.
You're lecturing us on interpretation and then unwilling to take the question of interpretation seriously. Your appeals to hypocrisy are fallacious and a deflection from being completely ideologically impoverished. I'm a compulsive arguer like you are, but I'm finally processing that, having decently demonstrated that you don't believe in anything but using words and values as conversational currency, there's no further point in talking to someone who doesn't believe in anything. Blocked.
"Ableism and smuglord attitude is bad" is sectarianism?
"That whole instance is full of fake leftists" is not sectarianism?
Not if they're fake leftists
Maybe host real leftists then
"It's not sectarianism, when we declare them not real leftists"? Ok then
the "I'm blocking you" at the end is simply
Oh I didn't realize we were all the same person. I stand corrected.
Point 1. dbzer0 instance claims to be leftist
Point 2. Leftists would not allow posts from ableist neoliberal ghouls to be posted on their instance
Point 3. Ableist neoliberal ghouls post on dbzer0
Point 4. dbzer0 does not remove the posts of ableist neoliberal ghouls
Therefore, synthesizing the points above, dbzer0 is not leftist.
Bonus point: when shown the ableist screed posted on their "leftist" instance, the admin responds not with some kind of apology or good-faith discussion but rather
tier debatebro snark.
"UM, RULE 3?" "OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT-" "OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW THAT-"
Honest question, what do you even get out of this project? What do you think you're accomplishing? What positive effect do you think you can have when you're deploying this dismissive, abrasive tone to anyone trying to engage with you? A problem post has been pointed out on your instance - one among many that form a significant trend - and your ONLY response is to zero in on the person criticizing you to glibly invoke "the rules" to try and shut them up. How about explaining why your instance lets post like this stay? How about reflecting on why people say things like
instead of just demanding that they stop saying things like that? At this point, what specifically do you even believe that makes you care about being called "not a real leftist"?
I am not going to debate the typical uncharitable interpretations you peeps do towards all outsider comments so you can and declare them things like "neoliberal ableist ghouls" and then repeat such statements until it becomes the "truth" . I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy of these rules which are bypassed as easily as saying "ableist neoliberal ghouls".
I am also not here to debate my instance. Obviously we're not hexbear and we are differ in how we see things. But we're not the ones claiming hexbear is "fake leftists" so we can turn people against you. But your community regularly does that towards us every time one of you needs to cry about some argument they had on lemmy. If you don't want me here pointing out your hypocrisy, feel free to either keep our instance out of your toxic mouth, or ban us.
Perfect little irony crossiant
Nobody cares about turning anyone against anyone, this comes off as a little self important and lacking in perspective when all of us are just posting at each other on a forum
Once again completely ignoring the content of the post from OP in favor of policing procedure and decorum. Pure fucking LIBERALISM
Again, what do you even believe?? If you defend positions that boil down to "you only want a revolution cause you have a bad life and are envious" then what's left of "leftism"? And do you defend the post, either its content or its tone? You haven't said a single thing about it except to complain about how other people are talking about it.
Your reading comprehension needs work. I am not tone policing. I'm not complaining about you commenting on that poster. Feel free to dunk as much as you want. I only point out it's hypocritical on your end to label the whole instance as fake leftists.
Y'all are so desperate to be right that you keep trying to assign actions to me that I'm not taking.
Here's an action you aren't taking:
Maintaining a safe instance for marginalized people
The last refuge of the liberal losing an argument
That person isnt a leftist tho lol where does poor people are just haterz = leftism
Why you keep someone like that around unless ur not really a leftist, just some liberal cosplaying
Not all instances go around banning everyone at the drop of a hat. Not all people interpret as uncharitable as hexbears either.
It kinda just sounds like youre a bad faith liberal and dont actually like hexbear lol
projection much?
No ive been pretty specific, ive never been to db0 and have no idea what the content is there, im here to use this one site. but it seems pretty whack to defend a neolib and hexbear has no business being associated with a place thats open to doing that.
Dunno why were federated if what everyone else is saying about your users who wander here is true.
I mean you're projecting your own bad faith and dislike onto us. I don't even think about hexbear until your peeps start sectarianism shit-flinging.
This is an incredibly Not Mad response from someone with a history of baiting drama
said the person writing walls of text when someone goes "no u". Big "not mad" energy indeed.
Also lol at the "baiting drama" projection when we're clearly living rent free in your head as you're going around then whole thread injecting yourself into any conversation.
Hmm, it still appears in my inbox. I'm not pretending to be disaffected, you do genuinely piss me off and I have nothing but contempt for someone as disingenuous as you. I've made no effort to appear aloof like you do, I respond to things earnestly just like you accuse me of when you put out low effort bullshit because, again, you believe in nothing.
I think it's just that you sent this before I blocked you, so it should work now.
See, you're so blindingly stupid that you can't even understand how a public forum on the internet works.
This is a graffiti wall, you are the village idiot, the sacrificial lamb, everyone is free to mock you when they want.
hahahahaha stupid cuck
Go back to /pol/
You have rotten pudding where your brain should be.
Ur instance is trash if you keep the "poor people are poor because theyre bad" guy and youre a loser for defending them