Counterpoint: it would definitely be in the best interests of the American bourgeoisie that Trump be prevented from winning and DeSantis has an easy path to the presidency in 2024.
Tell me how DeSantis would benefit the bourgeoisie more than Trump, or even Biden. They all deregulate. They all privatize. They all force austerity and labor discipline. They all drag on endless wars. What's the bourgeois calculus on DeSantis vs. Trump in concrete terms?
He also acts in such a way people protested for real.
Liberals having Trump Derangement Syndrome was just a reflection of their failure to understand that we live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie regardless of which individual porky either party nominates as their mascot. They should be pissed off regardless of who is president.
Anyway my question was : What will DeSantis actually do different than Trump or Biden? Vaguely alluding to how Trump has "weakened the American empire" (citation needed) doesn't answer that.
Did you notice countries kinds shifting more towards their own militaries for a while because Trump expected better payments from them or embarrassed their leaders? He burned through a lot of soft power and his trade war also pushed China more into its own sphere, the growing dichotomy became stronger because of this. Biden is trying to bring Europe back into the fold with the united front stuff against Russia and China, and we'll see how that plays out. He also fumbled a couple of coups in south America. And yes, you and I both know libs should be just as angry at every politician. That doesn't change the fact that they only really got angry at one. The argument "libs should be better" is not an argument at all, if they get angrier at him then that is what we need to try to work with.
DeSantis will be similar to Biden, except way more active in pushing everything further right.
DeSantis is actually smart and could accomplish all that bad shit. Trump is too dumb to wield levers of power correctly. Sure the bourgeoisie get their way with Trump but he still limits them. DeSantis is the competent fascist we've all worried about.
DeSantis is actually smart and could accomplish all that bad shit. Trump is too dumb to wield levers of power correctly.
I don't buy "Trump is dumb" theory. He plays dumb but is actually very manipulative. He uses his intelligence in a way that appears stupid on the surface but provokes people to react exactly the way he wants. He's an entertainer, after all. I've noticed he often phrases things in a way that's deliberately open to interpretation so that everyone hears what they want.
Sure the bourgeoisie get their way with Trump but he still limits them.
I don't think giving the rich tax breaks and further privatizing the remaining functions of the state is "limiting the bourgeoisie." His entire term can be characterized as an enormous handout to the bourgeoisie.
DeSantis is the competent fascist we’ve all worried about.
You don't need a "competent fascist." the American government is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and its foreign policy has been "competent fascism" on autopilot since at least 1949. I feel like everyone's gonna just let DeSantis Derangement Syndrome replace Trump Derangement Syndrome.
It's gonna be real funny if Trump loses the primary to DeSantis and we watch him become so petulantly bitter that he immediately becomes a huge critic of the DeSantis presidency and.... is rehabilitated and welcomed by the liberals just like George W Bush was.
Anyway my question was : What will DeSantis actually do different than Trump or Biden? All I get is vague handwaving about "competency"
An MSNBC talking head sometime in the near future (mid 2023 maybe?)...
"This 5-4 decision is inexplicable and highly unusual. The majority is claiming that - in effect - Trump could declassify documents merely by the power of pure thought..."
Yeah - it will be really inexplicable and highly unusual. Who could have predicted this? There's not a single person in August, 2022 that could have foreseen this. Not a single one.
Please, mods, I'm begging you for a lathe bot. Triggered by the phrase "no one could have seen this" (uttered unironically); the bit is then stored for 6 months automatically. Whenever the thing comes true, and someone sarcastically posts "No one could have seen this" and includes the subject of an available phrase, the bot immediately can detect the difference between the unironic prophesy and the sarcastic announcement of said prophecy coming true, and then it posts the OP that predicted it, and the timestamp.
On second thought, that might set the website servers on fire
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Counterpoint: it would definitely be in the best interests of the American bourgeoisie that Trump be prevented from winning and DeSantis has an easy path to the presidency in 2024.
Tell me how DeSantis would benefit the bourgeoisie more than Trump, or even Biden. They all deregulate. They all privatize. They all force austerity and labor discipline. They all drag on endless wars. What's the bourgeois calculus on DeSantis vs. Trump in concrete terms?
Trump has weakened the American empire. He also acts in such a way people protested for real.
I wish.
Liberals having Trump Derangement Syndrome was just a reflection of their failure to understand that we live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie regardless of which individual porky either party nominates as their mascot. They should be pissed off regardless of who is president.
Anyway my question was : What will DeSantis actually do different than Trump or Biden? Vaguely alluding to how Trump has "weakened the American empire" (citation needed) doesn't answer that.
Did you notice countries kinds shifting more towards their own militaries for a while because Trump expected better payments from them or embarrassed their leaders? He burned through a lot of soft power and his trade war also pushed China more into its own sphere, the growing dichotomy became stronger because of this. Biden is trying to bring Europe back into the fold with the united front stuff against Russia and China, and we'll see how that plays out. He also fumbled a couple of coups in south America. And yes, you and I both know libs should be just as angry at every politician. That doesn't change the fact that they only really got angry at one. The argument "libs should be better" is not an argument at all, if they get angrier at him then that is what we need to try to work with.
DeSantis will be similar to Biden, except way more active in pushing everything further right.
DeSantis is actually smart and could accomplish all that bad shit. Trump is too dumb to wield levers of power correctly. Sure the bourgeoisie get their way with Trump but he still limits them. DeSantis is the competent fascist we've all worried about.
I don't buy "Trump is dumb" theory. He plays dumb but is actually very manipulative. He uses his intelligence in a way that appears stupid on the surface but provokes people to react exactly the way he wants. He's an entertainer, after all. I've noticed he often phrases things in a way that's deliberately open to interpretation so that everyone hears what they want.
I don't think giving the rich tax breaks and further privatizing the remaining functions of the state is "limiting the bourgeoisie." His entire term can be characterized as an enormous handout to the bourgeoisie.
You don't need a "competent fascist." the American government is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and its foreign policy has been "competent fascism" on autopilot since at least 1949. I feel like everyone's gonna just let DeSantis Derangement Syndrome replace Trump Derangement Syndrome.
It's gonna be real funny if Trump loses the primary to DeSantis and we watch him become so petulantly bitter that he immediately becomes a huge critic of the DeSantis presidency and.... is rehabilitated and welcomed by the liberals just like George W Bush was.
Anyway my question was : What will DeSantis actually do different than Trump or Biden? All I get is vague handwaving about "competency"
Yeah, even if everything goes the libs way, what do they think the Supreme Court will do?
An MSNBC talking head sometime in the near future (mid 2023 maybe?)...
"This 5-4 decision is inexplicable and highly unusual. The majority is claiming that - in effect - Trump could declassify documents merely by the power of pure thought..."
Yeah - it will be really inexplicable and highly unusual. Who could have predicted this? There's not a single person in August, 2022 that could have foreseen this. Not a single one.
Please, mods, I'm begging you for a lathe bot. Triggered by the phrase "no one could have seen this" (uttered unironically); the bit is then stored for 6 months automatically. Whenever the thing comes true, and someone sarcastically posts "No one could have seen this" and includes the subject of an available phrase, the bot immediately can detect the difference between the unironic prophesy and the sarcastic announcement of said prophecy coming true, and then it posts the OP that predicted it, and the timestamp.
On second thought, that might set the website servers on fire
You're really telling me ole Donnie trump wriggled his way out of this jam?
That's what I said a couple years ago and it didn't turn out good