It does kinda suck if your coworker doesn't do the work and you gotta pick up after them all the time but then it starts to become an organizational issue
I get that for sure. Heck I'm in that sort of situation now. It's difficult, but I've been able to get my coworker to at least pick up the slack because I know how much it weighs on everyone else. But wanting more "tracking" is going to inevitably lead to micromanaging and even more stress for herself and her coworkers.
the worst archetype of coworker (not even a boss!) is the one that yells at you to work faster/harder but does nothing. its basically the same thing but i shut down from people yelling at me so i leave the room or call instantly :ohnoes:
i've never left on the spot like that because of yelling but held my anger in and left when i was ready to a few weeks or months later after i had something lined up. but yeah, i've had managers tell me to kill myself in front of all my coworkers and scream at the top of their lungs over some bullshit while micromanaging everything all day and underpaying us. generally speaking if the manager is also the owner its worse because its their money so they think they own you now wheras in the other case its just their career but they can still be manipulative as shit. fuck em
true, he was probably grifting some investor anyway tbh
we all knew his business had no chance of surviving too (and it didn't) and it drove him insane that we knew it, so he would lash out by timing our bathroom breaks, having three strikes rules about being 1 minute late to work, writeups for using a different text editor, writeups for looking at social media, underpaying and other shit like that. the particular day that he was screaming at me i had basically let him know its not a big deal that we had a production outage because we have no clients anyway so who gives a shit but now that i think about it his clients were the investors he was grifting.
more managers and tracking will likely result in higher overheads and less getting done. As a rule the more managers an organisation has the worse it's managed and the less productive it is
in situations like that i talk to the person themselves and tell them that i am tired of doing all the work myself and that they need to start pulling their weight. its worked before but i can imagine scenarios where that wont work.
I'm in a rough spot of being the only person who's figured out this new design program we have to use at work (ArcGIS). I have no degree, no experience, I just know how to read the docs.
It's gotten to the point that I have 8 people some of them technically superiors knocking on my door and calling my name out from across the office literally all day to walk them through a process that I've already shown them 5 times.
I was okay with pulling a bit extra at the start because I picked it up quicker, but I'm hitting the point where I'm just opening up docs and leaving and telling people of they can't figure it out they need to learn how to read.
personally i take notes if someone is teaching me something so i don't have to bother them again. i've found that if I keep having to teach people the same things its better to just write it up as a doc and link it to them or copy/paste and not engage with them further.
yeah my brain is screaming "quit playing dumb and give me an answer you little shit" on that one but i would never actually say it like that
that said, that only matters if the job is not a bullshit one and if there is a consequence to you not doing the work, either
also, in my experience people who have worked non-bullshit crappy jobs at some point in their lives tend to understand this concept of pulling your weight a little better but it doesn't really translate well to the bullshit-job world because there nothing really matters, at least until material conditions get bad enough that these jobs will cease to exist
it has a direct positive impact on potentially thousands of lives so i love doing it well and i feel like people exploit my good nature :deeper-sadness:
that's cool (the first part). well another thing you could do is tell that person the same thing about pulling their weight with other workers around (but no managers) in the same room or meeting. it would even help if those people are ones that you have some solidarity with in the frist place but even if you don't that person will have to squirm a little more and will be harder for them to just say nothing in that situation since there are other people seeing it.
ive brought up unions and stuff to people i like and theyre all like 'the pay is alright and its important work what do we need a union for!' and its just...
sigh
ive explained it all everyone is just really special
i work with other high payed people too and the best i've managed to do is get them to join a secret chat where we talk about what we hate in the company but most were not interested in organizing and basically felt they had a sweet thing going so why try to change it. i work for a nonprofit now and its a similar dynamic. all the frustrated energy that could get directed at capitalism gets discipated into inter-departmental little catfights and passive-agressive nonsense. i've legit given up on trying to organize at the workplace because of that but hopefully the rising labor unrest hits the IT sector at some point.
I don’t understand why people think they have to be martyrs with other people’s work. If they’re not doing their job, you talk to them and ask and if after all that they do nothing, you lay it out for someone else to deal with.
How does she know her coworker is doing less if they both work from home? It's pretty fucked up for her to assume that.
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Depending on the work, you can 100% tell if a coworker is half-assing it.
This is bad for all sorts of other reasons, though.
Of course if you see it and it doesn't make your own job harder, no you didn't
It does kinda suck if your coworker doesn't do the work and you gotta pick up after them all the time but then it starts to become an organizational issue
I get that for sure. Heck I'm in that sort of situation now. It's difficult, but I've been able to get my coworker to at least pick up the slack because I know how much it weighs on everyone else. But wanting more "tracking" is going to inevitably lead to micromanaging and even more stress for herself and her coworkers.
the worst archetype of coworker (not even a boss!) is the one that yells at you to work faster/harder but does nothing. its basically the same thing but i shut down from people yelling at me so i leave the room or call instantly :ohnoes:
last time someone yealled at me at work i quit on the spot, now i work from home all by myself with 0 interaction with anyone
i work from home but i still gotta interact via calls :deeper-sadness:
Outsource them to a North Korean. That way you can be lazy and commit light treason at the same time. :kim-peace:
i've never left on the spot like that because of yelling but held my anger in and left when i was ready to a few weeks or months later after i had something lined up. but yeah, i've had managers tell me to kill myself in front of all my coworkers and scream at the top of their lungs over some bullshit while micromanaging everything all day and underpaying us. generally speaking if the manager is also the owner its worse because its their money so they think they own you now wheras in the other case its just their career but they can still be manipulative as shit. fuck em
"their money"
All those fuckers do is sign a check to give us back a portion of our money. But I'm preaching to the choir lol
true, he was probably grifting some investor anyway tbh
we all knew his business had no chance of surviving too (and it didn't) and it drove him insane that we knew it, so he would lash out by timing our bathroom breaks, having three strikes rules about being 1 minute late to work, writeups for using a different text editor, writeups for looking at social media, underpaying and other shit like that. the particular day that he was screaming at me i had basically let him know its not a big deal that we had a production outage because we have no clients anyway so who gives a shit but now that i think about it his clients were the investors he was grifting.
more managers and tracking will likely result in higher overheads and less getting done. As a rule the more managers an organisation has the worse it's managed and the less productive it is
in situations like that i talk to the person themselves and tell them that i am tired of doing all the work myself and that they need to start pulling their weight. its worked before but i can imagine scenarios where that wont work.
I'm in a rough spot of being the only person who's figured out this new design program we have to use at work (ArcGIS). I have no degree, no experience, I just know how to read the docs.
It's gotten to the point that I have 8 people some of them technically superiors knocking on my door and calling my name out from across the office literally all day to walk them through a process that I've already shown them 5 times.
I was okay with pulling a bit extra at the start because I picked it up quicker, but I'm hitting the point where I'm just opening up docs and leaving and telling people of they can't figure it out they need to learn how to read.
personally i take notes if someone is teaching me something so i don't have to bother them again. i've found that if I keep having to teach people the same things its better to just write it up as a doc and link it to them or copy/paste and not engage with them further.
It definitely makes people actually learn when you stop just coming over to fix everything. Especially when it's small things
ive tried to tell him about it but he just look like fish
yeah my brain is screaming "quit playing dumb and give me an answer you little shit" on that one but i would never actually say it like that
that said, that only matters if the job is not a bullshit one and if there is a consequence to you not doing the work, either
also, in my experience people who have worked non-bullshit crappy jobs at some point in their lives tend to understand this concept of pulling your weight a little better but it doesn't really translate well to the bullshit-job world because there nothing really matters, at least until material conditions get bad enough that these jobs will cease to exist
it has a direct positive impact on potentially thousands of lives so i love doing it well and i feel like people exploit my good nature :deeper-sadness:
that's cool (the first part). well another thing you could do is tell that person the same thing about pulling their weight with other workers around (but no managers) in the same room or meeting. it would even help if those people are ones that you have some solidarity with in the frist place but even if you don't that person will have to squirm a little more and will be harder for them to just say nothing in that situation since there are other people seeing it.
ive brought up unions and stuff to people i like and theyre all like 'the pay is alright and its important work what do we need a union for!' and its just...
sigh
ive explained it all everyone is just really special
i work with other high payed people too and the best i've managed to do is get them to join a secret chat where we talk about what we hate in the company but most were not interested in organizing and basically felt they had a sweet thing going so why try to change it. i work for a nonprofit now and its a similar dynamic. all the frustrated energy that could get directed at capitalism gets discipated into inter-departmental little catfights and passive-agressive nonsense. i've legit given up on trying to organize at the workplace because of that but hopefully the rising labor unrest hits the IT sector at some point.
I don’t understand why people think they have to be martyrs with other people’s work. If they’re not doing their job, you talk to them and ask and if after all that they do nothing, you lay it out for someone else to deal with.
Sometimes it can be quite easy to tell. Log of all accounts processed from a given queue, for example.