• StewartCopelandsDad [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      imo there's a big overlap between the nutcase lone wolf shooters and fascist admiration of individual "heroism", action, glorious death, etc etc.

        • asustamepanteon [comrade/them, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Millán Astray, falangist general is said to have shouted, interrupting Miguel de Unamuno:

          “¡Muera la inteligencia…! ¡Viva la muerte!”

          Unamuno in response to Millán Astray:

          “Estáis esperando mis palabras. Me conocéis bien, y sabéis que soy incapaz de permanecer en silencio. A veces, quedarse callado equivale a mentir. (...)Pero ahora acabo de oír el necrófilo e insensato grito “Viva la muerte” (…) esta ridícula paradoja me parece repelente (...) Me atormenta el pensar que el general Millán Astray pudiera dictar las normas de la psicología de la masa. Un mutilado que carezca de la grandeza espiritual de Cervantes, es de esperar que encuentre un terrible alivio viendo cómo se multiplican los inválidos a su alrededor (...) Venceréis porque tenéis sobrada fuerza bruta. Pero no convenceréis. Para convencer hay que persuadir. Y para persuadir necesitaríais algo que os falta: razón y derecho en la lucha”.

          "You are waiting for my words. You know me well, and you know that I'm incapable of staying silent. Sometimes, staying silent is the same as lying. (...) But now I've just heard a necrophilic and stupid cry "Long live death" (...) this ridiculous paradox is repulsive (...) It hurts my head thinking that the general Millán Astray could dictate the norms of the psychology of the masses. A mutilated man (Millán, was shot various times because, shocker, he craved death) that lacks the great spirit of Cervantes, it was certain that you found a terrible relief seeing how the crippled multiply around you (...) You'll win because you have brute strength. But you won't convince. To convince you have to be able to persuade. And to persuade you'll need something you lack: reason and a right in your struggle."

          Although Unamuno was kinda a doomer, we've seen this play out today. They're just not chanting "Long live Death" tho.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        There's also a whole literature about adventurism and its limits on the left. If there's something similar on the right, it probably comes to different conclusions as right-wing violence has different effects.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        individual “heroism”, action, glorious death, etc etc.

        Most of that gets a "based" one-word comment from chuds across the internet.

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      The answer is as simple as that they're actually just fucking morons

      they're too stupid to see how good they have it, how unfairly they've benefited, and also too stupid to think of how fucking annoying it would be to spend years of your life in a jail cell

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        how fucking annoying it would be to spend years of your life in a jail cell

        The part I can never understand is why so many of them surrender. You've got a rifle right there. Why aren't you ending yourself instead of facing the rest of your life living in a box?

        • crime [she/her, any]
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          2 years ago

          Cause they'll get a slap on the wrist. Cops will pat them on the back and take them to Burger King. They'll get some time in jail where the guards will be nice to them and they'll be welcomed into the Aryan Brotherhood or whatever white suprematist gang. Then they'll get out on good behavior after a couple easy years and go back to whatever they were doing before

        • CTHlurker [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          most of them are fundamentally cowards. Thats also why they tend to panic if someone shoots back, like the tacticool loser who tried assaulting a bank or fed building and was domed within 15 minuttes.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      why are right-wingers so much more likely to do adventurism?

      Unofficial sanction and support from the state and capital as long as they are targeting capital's enemies. Plus, their goal is to reinforce the existing status quo of wage slavery and race terror. They're moving with the stream, it's easy to achieve white supremacist and capitalist goals by murdering minorities and labor organizers.

      Unless a Leftist has gone full nihilist then random violence doesn't serve any useful purpose. The same is not true for the CHUDs.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      This is just my take but I think a significant percentage of them actually and actively fantasize about murdering their "enemies". And an enemy could be somebody they don't like. A tweet called recent ginormous pickup trucks "assault vehicles" and I can only wonder how many right-wingers dream of running their enemies down and how often they have that fantasy.

      Related - https://hexbear.net/post/212780

      I really worry what horrors await us in the next few years. I can imagine a chud clearly and openly committing murder in broad daylight by ramming a crowd of "leftist" protesters (who are just garden variety libs) but he claims there was a "technical error". Despite that he then jumps on social media to brag about the "crash" where he murdered seven people. The truck is checked over and over and over but no "technical errors" are found. The GOP local prosecutor has a press conference where he preens in front of the camera and declines to indict the murderer and uses ridiculous excuses. Within an hour of the broadcast- the murder is bragging on social media again.

      And that sequence becomes normalized. By not only the GOP but also by democratic pols who keep insisting that justice will prevail. "How?" is not explained.

    • Marxist_Lentilism [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Reactionaries believe the world's most pressing problems are individual in nature and can be solved by individual action. Leftists believe the world's most pressing problems are systemic in nature and can be solved by collective action.

      They're thinking about heroes. We're thinking about movements.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      "Action for action's sake" is part of the core of fascism too.