Obviously orange man bad, but it would be awesome to see Trump do to DeSantis what he did to Jeb and Rubio.
As a Floridian, DeSantis absolutely terrifies me. He is the competent, ideological fascist we all said was coming after Trump.
He’s calculated, smart, and absolutely evil. He’s incredible at threading the line between riling up the frothing at the mouth fascists while also appealing to the quiet suburban types that think Trump is uncouth, and he makes sure Capital knows as long as they don’t cross him theyll keep getting their cut.
Unlike Trump, he knows that to really cement support he needs to purge unelected government departments and make them listen only to him.
The Florida Department of Health is now a straight up ideological body directly subservient to DeSantis. They tweeted yesterday about how “mask mandates are about freedom and under DeSantis we know health has nothing to do with what you put on your face.” They’ve since removed the tweet. Most of their efforts these days seem to be putting out as much anti trans messaging as they can. The two top goals of the FDoH are “infect as many people with covid as possible” and “prepare for a trans genocide.”
DeSantis recently instated a “Victims of Communism Day” in November where schools will have to dedicate the day to teaching kids about the horrors of communist regimes and the benefits of capitalism. This is following laws prohibiting discussion of LGBT+ identities, or any accurate depiction of the history of race in the US. He also banned schools from requiring masks very early on, and required near exclusively in person teaching for grade schools and universities. He purged Florida Department of Education officials who would go against him a long time ago, so they have been in full support of all of this.
DeSantis is the man I’m most afraid is going to get me put in a camp or just summarily executed, and I don’t even fucking do anything besides post and be depressed in my apartment.
So naturally we'll just let him go unpunished forever, the same as every monster America produces.
If you ever need an out, I am probably just 3 Amtrak rides away and could harbor you.
Thankfully my parents and I are on good terms and they’re in a location that I could easily get back on my feet even if I had to flee with just what I could fit in my bag, but I appreciate it comrade :rat-salute-2:
not so sure. jeb had a losers energy because jeb was always on his heels, serving up a milquetoast episocopalian conservatism, which nobody had any taste for. desantis, even if he lacks the personal charisma, will give the chuds the atavistic, affective policies which they crave. he has a host of evil policies he's successfully implemented, and i think he has a simple rhetorical/positional strategy in the national, if trump can somehow implode before then.
I'm surprised at people saying he couldn't win. Every sign I'm seeing points to surging fascism. If he gives the hogs what they want he can win.
yes. murdoch and the journal are signaling trepidation with trump; laura ingraham, of all people, is signaling trepidation with trump -- i wasn't sure they'd fold on him, and they still might not, esp if republicans win big in the midterms and trump can take credit for it; but desantis seems to be the guy who can make promises to business and promises for blood. a real jerk.
well, i may not have been maximally clear or cogent. i'm not sure they care about effectiveness, but a large part (all?) of the trump base, some of the cruelest, most selfish people on the planet, care about winning and being strong and contemptuous against their enemies. desantis has this/can project this, in a way that jeb never could hope for (because jeb was actually playing to the middle, while desantis plays "respectable" only insofar is he's not a literal caricature/circus freak like trump). from the limited speeches i've seen of ron, sure, not the fun character of don, but can certainly convey righteousness and sneering contempt, and that's just better for the moment than jeb, who was a walking wet sack of shit.
(cool handle btw)
That’s my hope anyway. I never thought I’d be rooting for trump but at least he’s incompetent and lazy
See that’s my thought hearing him too but for some reason they love him anyway and think he’s nearly as cool as the gosh dang cheeto. They think he owns the libs just like trump does, which I find fucking insane. I hate Trump obviously but I understand why they like him, he does have some level of charisma even if it’s a kind I hate. He’s genuinely funny sometimes. Desantis is a god damn slug.
100%. People really will forget trump's one gift (bullying people who have been too rich/powerful for too long) up until he's on stage in all his wet, lead-enriched glory.
he’s only 43
Holy shit hate really ages the body, dude looks like he's going on 60
Good news if he's playing the long game though, people can play a lot of Minecraft between now and 2028/2032
Holy shit hate really ages the body, dude looks like he’s going on 60
I had this same thought and then looked in the mirror and realized I also look way older than I am, thanks grey hair. :yes-honey-left:
if Trump doesn’t stop him, there’s no other Republican who can at this point.
Wait, what's that? Is that the Ted Cruz theme music I hear?
Best would be if Trump humiliates Desantis publicly but then can't run in the general because of going to trial or (hopefully) dying. Would basically be a chud implosion and would also hurt any attempt by the Dems to use fear to push people towards "centrists". In other words, "Here's how Bernie could still win."
This is the accelerationism we keep joking about here. This is what it looks like. Maybe we shouldn't have been joking about it?
Some days it feels like I'm in an apocalypse cult, cheering on the end of days. It is easier, after all, to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
My options are laughing or crying, and neither will influence what actually happens. I already do enough crying, I’ll try to laugh when I can.
What did joking about accelerationism do to affect the acceleration? Seems like pearl clutching imo
Me too it’s fucking terrifying everything is bad and continues to get worse
If I understand correctly, there is nothing in the constitution that prevents him from running as a presidential candidate from jail.
Yeah, but there is a federal statute against it, assuming he's convicted before January 2025. I found this article explaining:
Federal statute 18 U.S. Code 2071 had long banned the removal, concealment or destruction of presidential records. It says “willfully and unlawfully” removing such records can result in a penalty of up to three years in prison and that the defendant “shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
Marc Elias, a lawyer who litigates election law cases on behalf of Democrats, highlighted that line about disqualification and tweeted: “The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics.”
But in a subsequent tweet, Elias wrote that there would undoubtedly be a “constitutional challenge to the application of this law to a president. One can speculate how it would turn out, but it is unprecedented and would be fully litigated.”
Either way, it would be a mess... A very entertaining mess.
Oh my god thank you for this, I know it’s a real long shot but this is the only path I’ve seen out of this in a long time that’s only “bad” and not “absolutely nightmarish”
Seems like DeSantis is the hateful voice of the true reactionary ideology and Trump is the stylized and idealized billionaire emotionalistic coded reactionary ideology.
I think the American right NEEDS the excuses Trump delivers to hide behind because they are cowardly Liberals like all Americans and can't handle the contradictions without their fantasy pap. DeSantis makes them actually look at their evil ideology in a way and that just doesn't work as well here.
American electorialism is marketing 100%. Majority of Americans vote irrationally, always have.
Yeah, imagine being some marketer charged with getting the American people excited about DeSantis. Talk about pressure.
I wish there more hopeful things on the horizon, but I really do take a lot of joy in watching right-wing infighting
i hope trump lives as long as kissinger and he keeps losing but the freaks keep supporting him like failed doomsday prophet religions
I’m pretty sure the RNC basically said “we aren’t participating in debates anymore”
