cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4112192

Men that carried out terrorist attack on concert in Russia received funds from Ukraine.

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    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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      9 months ago

      lol who said he was? we'd all love a second bolshevik revolution and to see him dead or sweeping the streets of Tobolsk, but at the moment he's poking the eye of a worse hegemon.

      • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        So would you have cheered on hitler’s germany or japan because they were against the US?

        The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

            • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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              9 months ago

              uh the fucking holocaust? stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin but the colonizing the cracker empires were doing at the time wasn't nakedly exterminationist

              what the fuck is wrong with you?

              • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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                9 months ago

                The US and england were at war with Germany before the extermination plan (the final solution) of the Holocaust started though. If you think the US entered WW2 to save the poor Jews (that they refused to allow into the US as refugees) from the Holocaust you are more propagandized by US bullshit than I am. That was not why they started fighting WW2.

                Nothing is wrong with me other than that i don’t think Putin’s Russia is worth defending by leftists. Call me crazy.

                  • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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                    9 months ago

                    There’s nothing useful to leftists about one capitalist fighting another capitalist. Smdh.

        • Kuori [she/her]
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          9 months ago

          no in that instance you would cheer on the u.s. (albeit critically) for siding against the nazis and fascists

    • The Soviet Reporter@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      9 months ago

      Russia is not imperialist like The USA and NATO empire is though, and he is an ally of China and is helping Africa develop. That makes him hundreds of time better than Washington

      • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role. It is not better, it is literally exactly the same. It is all just competing global power politics of different segments of the global ruling class.

        Note if China were to become the world hegemon, that would be an improvement compared to the US because they actually have a political ideology other than hoarding wealth and power.

        • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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          9 months ago

          It wouldn’t be better but it wouldn’t be worse either. This is a unmaterialist take. Russia doesn’t have the global spanning military empire America took a literal century to build.

          • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            The unmaterialist take is to not realize that were russia to attain the hegemonic position in global geo-politics it wouldn’t build bases in exactly the same way.

            Bourgeois Nation-states serve capitalism. Whichever one is globally the most powerful gets the funding from global corporations to protect their interests globally. They don’t care if that is the US or russia. They’ll use either one for that aim.

            • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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              9 months ago

              You understand that America built its huge expansive empire before the invention of the hypersonic missile correct? There is not going to be another empire in the way America did it literally ever. America may very well be the only nation in the history of humanity to have built its empire literally uncontested by any other nation on earth. Every other nation was blown to bits and the ones that weren’t blown to bits were abysmally poor, and even the ones that were abysmally poor were also blown to bits. Could Russia figure out a way to build something like America a different way? Maybe, but that’s pretty unlikely.

            • NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml
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              9 months ago

              This is all hypothetical and speculative. What is actually happening right now? We can't just assume without evidence that it would be the same.

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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          9 months ago

          And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role.

          Being a materialist is when you subscribe to great man theory. How would the Russian Federation (because Putin is a 71 year old man and presumably wouldn't live to see a Pax Russiana) step right in to fill the same exact role? How would Russia take on the role of NATO or the IMF/WB, Western tools of imperialism that Russia isn't even a part of? At least people crying about so-called Chinese imperialism could gesture towards the BRI as the Chinese equivalent of the IMF. What the fuck does Russia have?

          It is not better, it is literally exactly the same.

          Tell that to the people of Latin America or the people of Africa or literally anywhere else in the world that is not Europe. There's a reason why people in AES support Russia and people in the other AES go around waving Russian flags as they tell the French to gtfo. The fact of the matter is Russia doesn't have the legacy of colonialism like the West has, and people have long memories.

          In Africa, Russia has always played an anti-imperialist role, even going back to Tsarist Russia under Nicholas II (yes, that Nicholas) when they supported Ethiopia against Italian imperialism, ensuring that Ethiopia was the only African state (Liberia was a US proxy state, so they don't count) to be a free and sovereign African state during the scramble for Africa. And this was Russia under some shitty anti-Semitic tsar. I don't even need to go over what Russia as part of the Soviet Union did on behalf of the people of Africa. Westerners enslave Africans for more than 4 centuries and have the typical Western arrogance to think that Wagner Group killing African civilians or some Russian diplomat being anti-Black is somehow equivalent.

          • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            It is the definition of reactionary to cheer on any enemy of your enemy no matter who they are.

            I don’t cheer on nazis when they blow some government building up in the US, like in oklahoma city for example, just because i am against the policies of the US.

            Segments of the global bourgeoisie fighting each other for global control through various bourgeois nation-states is not something that is beneficial for communists at all.

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              So was stabilizing Syria and destroying ISIS imperialist? Is the invasion of Ukraine to destroy NATO-backed fascist militants imperialist?

              I've heard this shit from you westoids forever and you're always wrong. Anti-imperialism isn't "enemy of my enemy". It's being part of the actual global coalition that destroys the hegemony, alongside AES nations.

              • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                9 months ago

                No you see materialism is when you make broad stroke assumptions and live by hard and fast rules instead of taking events on a case by case basis and see how they interact with each other and history.

        • The Soviet Reporter@lemmygrad.ml
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          9 months ago

          I disagree, Russia’s foreign policy has been way better than the USA and they have not participated in the same predatory lending practices that the USA has with developing nations. If the USA were to collapse, Russia would most likely undergo a revolution since the U.S. fascists wouldn’t be able to back the struggling bourgeoisie like it has done in the past.

          Also saying that Russia would take US place is very naive. Russia doesn’t have the same level of alliance the US has with Europe. A disappearing USA will just make the global south stronger

          Edit: Also Russia is an ally of China and is helping Africa. Moreover, Russia is now killing Nazis. Therefore, supporting Russia against Nazis and NATO is the right move. Right now Russia is hundreds of times better than the USA. Once the USA disappears we’ll worry about what’s next

          • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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            9 months ago

            They would if they got in a position to build them. (i.e. if the US stopped hegemonic control of the global order and allowed russia to do so)

            • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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              9 months ago

              The only reason America was able to build an empire of its size is because it was in the radically fortunate position of being the only developed nation that wasn’t bombed to shit after world war 2. It was uncontested in its imperial efforts for pretty much the entire duration of it too. The odds of this same thing happening for Russia is 0. It might not ever happen again in human history.

              • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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                9 months ago

                I mean, it occurred in various historical conditions for countries including Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, England, and the US.

                I would not be super surprised if there another imperial empire after the US. Though that may not be for hundreds of years, as the turnover rate of empires seems to be slowing down. But who knows what geo-political impacts future technologies will have on global power relations.

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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          9 months ago

          Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role

          Russia unlike the US doesn't have the corpse of the British Empire and 50% of the world's industrial capacity to piggyback off like the US did after WW2

          Empires do not all have the same capacity, means, or internal structures that can guarantee a one-to-one replacement theory like you just asserted

          The idea that the Ruble could ever become the equivalent of the US petrodollar is anti-historical and anti-materialist and if that won't happen how on earth would Russia dominate global capitalism the way the US currently does?

        • duderium [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role.

          We aren’t dealing with hypotheticals. We’re dealing with material reality as it is right now.

          Note if China were to become the world hegemon, that would be an improvement compared to the US because they actually have a political ideology other than hoarding wealth and power.

          China is probably Russia’s most important ally.

    • duderium [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      What is a leftist exactly? Is the guy a communist? No. Is he allied to communists? Yes. Is he fighting imperialism? Yes.

      • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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        9 months ago

        Is he fighting imperialism?

        only by accident. don't forget the critical part of critical support. the enemy of our enemy isn't our good friend.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          It’s not an accident, and intentions don’t matter only actions. Radlibs never cease their mind reading moralizing

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              Tell that to the millions of Syrians he saved from western backed jihadist fascism.

              He’s the foremost anti-imperialist force on Earth currently, adopting the stances of KJU with the military and geopolitical might to back it up. Meanwhile China putts around trying to placate the west still, and meanwhile half the global south is run by open compradors. Why don’t you focus your ire on our enemies who are many instead of our foremost friend in a small group of friends?

              • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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                9 months ago

                Why don’t you focus your ire on our enemies who are many instead of our foremost friend in a small group of friends?

                what fucking part of critical

                  • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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                    9 months ago

                    no i'm not. russia isn't our primary contradiction unless you're queer and live there, it's useful to the rest of us for now, and it's on the right side of any conflict it has with nato, but that's as far as it goes.

              • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                9 months ago

                Why don’t you focus your ire on our enemies who are many instead of our foremost friend in a small group of friends?

                This is where I have to say the CRITICAL part of critical support has to come into play. Russia is a nation with a long history that encompasses many eras and ideologies. Putin on some level has been able to posit the idea that Russias imperial, Soviet, and modern history is one long unbroken history of the Russian people as a whole in a way that should be extremely sus to us as communists. Putin is an ally of the global south yes, but his commitments on a base level ideologically can only be described as liberal and that’s obviously a problem that should be brought up. You can’t tell people to just ignore Russia and its actions (good or bad doesn’t matter) when they’re one of the superpowers of the world.

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              Also literally everything that has ever happened is due to circumstance. We are materialists here right?

          • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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            9 months ago

            I said this in another comment sorry for double posting. Keep in mind is entire career he tried to ally himself with the west up to the point they literally went to war with him. Putin does not get a pass just because he’s allied with with these nations, we need to come at this from the position of “the least he could do is have good relations with these nations”

            Putin is not a communist so his actions, while much better than the US, should be seen under the lens of right wing and be criticized as such when applicable.

              • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                9 months ago

                You gonna actually point anything out? or just keep typing in caps because it makes your non point look better? What are you even saying at this point. It shouldn’t be out of hand to admit Putin has done good things, but we should be skeptical of a guy who tried to join the Nazi club for his entire career. He doesn’t get a cookie for having what should be considered normal relations to the global south you fucking ding dong.

                • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  i just want you to use historical materialism evenly instead of haphazardly and drop your western programming of russiaphobic exceptionalism. For Putin and only Putin we mind read and judge based on hypotheticals.

                  • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                    9 months ago

                    You’re barking up the wrong tree, I’m easily one of the most openly pro SMO people on this site.

                    drop your western programming of russiaphobic exceptionalism.

                    Literally where?

                    For Putin and only Putin we mind read and judge based on hypotheticals.

                    Again literally where?

      • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        Fighting imperialism? Lmao. He’s a billionaire oligarch exactly like any US ghoul.

        • ikilledtheradiostar [comrade/them, love/loves]
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          9 months ago

          I love articles about his networth.

          Like this one. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/business/vladimir-putin-wealth-sanctions/index.html

          Nobody knows but it's definitely gorzilliom dollars.

          • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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            9 months ago

            They do the same with Castro and any pushback is met with “is it really that hard to imagine a dictator hoarding wealth?”

              • yuli [she/her]
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                9 months ago

                to be fair, they had to produce a very large spoon, which took the full industrial capacity, just so he could eat the full agricultural capacity.

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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          9 months ago

          Fighting imperialism, like democracy or voting or anti colonialism, doesn’t automatically make you a good person nor are you required to be one to do these things.

          • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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            9 months ago

            I’ll be one to admit yeah that kinda is the take right now unfortunately. I’ll even go so far as to coin him a neonationalist as dumb as that term sounds and really only applies to Russia so far. Maybe also America.

      • dead [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        This is from the Tucker Carlson interview. When asked about NATO expansion after the USSR ended, Putin says that NATO has no reason to expand because the Russia economy matches the interests of the US. Putin says "We are bourgeois now as you are. We are a market economy and there is no communist party with power."

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        • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          That doesn't contradict who you're replying to. This statement is literally true, all communists I've ever talked to know this statement is true. You can probably count the number of communists who think Putin is secretly trying to recreate the Soviet Union on one hand.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          He’s allied to DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela and China. If they aren’t communists then nobody is

          • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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            9 months ago

            Keep in mind is entire career he tried to ally himself with the west up to the point they literally went to war with him. Putin does not get a pass just because he’s allied with with these nations, we need to come at this from the position of “the least he could do is have good relations with these nations”

            • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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              9 months ago

              Still, it's hard not to feel a little bad for him being like Homer Simpson trying to join the no Homers club

              Yeah he sucks and he was trying to join an evil organization but they were such assholes to him on a personal level, like they just rejected him for being Russian

              • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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                9 months ago

                Absolutely and you’ll never see me say otherwise. That being said it’s not out of hand to be disappointed at the leader of the former largest anti fascist nation try to get into the Nazi club.

          • NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml
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            9 months ago

            Not the communists I was referring to, and aligning with states which practices an ideology is not the same as supporting and sanctioning said ideology. He represses communism at home because he likely understand the threat they pose to his power.

              • NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml
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                9 months ago

                That makes sense, even so we shouldn't have any delusions about who he is and what he stands for.

                • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  And calling him an imperialist or fascist is one of those delusions common among radlibs and still lingering among the squishier hexbears

          • NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml
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            9 months ago

            Not really what I meant, I was more referring to his attitude towards Russian communists. He might align with China for all sorts of reasons beyond personal agreement with communism.

          • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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            9 months ago

            It depends on how you look at it. He’s an ally to Chinese communists because they share military and trade relations and are only friendly terms with each other. He’s not an ally to them if you look at it ideologically because he considers communism a failure and inferior to whatever he has going on. And perhaps the Chinese don’t care at all that’s he’s anti communists because they care about the material support more.

            I doubt Xi’s Marxism Leninist ideology is ever on Putin’s mind, the same way MBS being a literal monarch is likely not on Xi’s mind. It’s not really about communism vs capitalism anymore. It’s about markets and whose guns will be on your side or out of your way