I'm listening to that episode currently. Nick said that some children who were involved in abusive government research would develop DID, which would in turn make them more susceptible to hypnosis. It sounded plausible to me. I didn't hear anything about getting mind control refreshed although I still have thirty minutes left in the episode.
How familiar are you with MKULTRA? They absolutely tried a bunch of wild shit. The TrueAnon episode with Lisa Pease left a lot of listeners similarly skeptical because it dealt with mind control and hypnosis, but I think she was right.
He specifically likens the process to missing an operating system update at one point- did he say that yet? I liked the episode otherwise but the DID talk went a bit too off the rails for my taste
Brace [1:27:07]: If they're mind controlling Paul [Bonacci], what are they mind controlling him to do? Because it seems like they just mind controlled him to be like a guy who lives like a fucked up shitty life.
Nick: Well the thing about it is---my understanding of mind control is [that] there has to be like---when you get the latest operating system there has to be updates, and if there isn't that then the mind control starts disintegrating---you have to kind of be up on it. Add ultimately you've done a lot of horrific stuff to this individual, and ultimately when their alters disintegrate they're ultimately going to be someone that's very very damaged.
He's not saying that people were literally programmed like computers. He was explaining how a person who was presumably once a useful intelligence asset could become psychologically damaged and dysfunctional after being discarded by the agency, and he made an analogy to a Windows computer that badly needs updates (because he probably has a boomer-brain understanding of computers). I think a better analogy would be "Paul had a very fragile psyche and he required constant conditioning by his handlers. When they abandoned him, he broke down."
Most of the concrete shit I've heard about mind control is like how Brace puts it, they "mind control" someone into being a destroyed human being, and if you're all fucked up and only want to avoid further pain and trauma then yeah you can be coerced into doing shit.
But mind control and brain washing gives a big air of mystique and sophistication to what ultimately appears to be systematically traumatizing a person constantly.
Anyone who could weigh in on if Chaos(the book excerpted in the link) is a worthwhile read?
It seems interesting but I got kind of a vibe like the author, when left with understandable spaces in actual available information, leaves an implication that whatever the truth is it must be very sinister, and very potent in effect or very large in scope. Personally I feel like I would be more interested in whatever facts have been scrounged together without too much of a noticeable authorial hand.
I recall skimming another book that started with looking at the connections that American serial killers had with military service during Vietnam, but then went hardcore into the direction of satanic DID cults running murders for hire(or fun, I guess), and the objective connections in themselves seemed interesting enough to learn about. Though what Ive heard of Chaos it doesnt have that kind of reputation to be that far out.
It probably was, I remember it being referenced on here during a discussion about serial killers and getting sceptical pretty fast after noticing factual errors in some of the cases I was familiar with when discussed in the book.
I really liked the episode up until that point but it went a bit woo with the DID talk, like the guest mentioned some guy's alternate personality having different abilities and shit. :brace-dark-cowboy: and :liz-society: sounded understandably incredulous, lol
i mean that can kinda happen but probably not in the way they were suggesting
that's a trope that comes up in dumb horror movies featuring villain with DID a lot. which is cool, i love when dumb movies change the cultural perception of a mental illness :yes-honey-left:
Was it after he talked about dissociative identity disorder?
Oh yeah, it was DID, not schizophrenia. Kinda tuned out at that point
I'm listening to that episode currently. Nick said that some children who were involved in abusive government research would develop DID, which would in turn make them more susceptible to hypnosis. It sounded plausible to me. I didn't hear anything about getting mind control refreshed although I still have thirty minutes left in the episode.
How familiar are you with MKULTRA? They absolutely tried a bunch of wild shit. The TrueAnon episode with Lisa Pease left a lot of listeners similarly skeptical because it dealt with mind control and hypnosis, but I think she was right.
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He specifically likens the process to missing an operating system update at one point- did he say that yet? I liked the episode otherwise but the DID talk went a bit too off the rails for my taste
He's not saying that people were literally programmed like computers. He was explaining how a person who was presumably once a useful intelligence asset could become psychologically damaged and dysfunctional after being discarded by the agency, and he made an analogy to a Windows computer that badly needs updates (because he probably has a boomer-brain understanding of computers). I think a better analogy would be "Paul had a very fragile psyche and he required constant conditioning by his handlers. When they abandoned him, he broke down."
Most of the concrete shit I've heard about mind control is like how Brace puts it, they "mind control" someone into being a destroyed human being, and if you're all fucked up and only want to avoid further pain and trauma then yeah you can be coerced into doing shit.
But mind control and brain washing gives a big air of mystique and sophistication to what ultimately appears to be systematically traumatizing a person constantly.
Right. Understandable how it would result in a broken person.
Anyone who could weigh in on if Chaos(the book excerpted in the link) is a worthwhile read?
It seems interesting but I got kind of a vibe like the author, when left with understandable spaces in actual available information, leaves an implication that whatever the truth is it must be very sinister, and very potent in effect or very large in scope. Personally I feel like I would be more interested in whatever facts have been scrounged together without too much of a noticeable authorial hand.
I recall skimming another book that started with looking at the connections that American serial killers had with military service during Vietnam, but then went hardcore into the direction of satanic DID cults running murders for hire(or fun, I guess), and the objective connections in themselves seemed interesting enough to learn about. Though what Ive heard of Chaos it doesnt have that kind of reputation to be that far out.
Was it Programmed to Kill?
It probably was, I remember it being referenced on here during a discussion about serial killers and getting sceptical pretty fast after noticing factual errors in some of the cases I was familiar with when discussed in the book.
:what-the-hell:
that's a really wild suggestion since DID comes from childhood trauma
the way the media treats DID really has given people really weird perspectives on it, it's very cool
I really liked the episode up until that point but it went a bit woo with the DID talk, like the guest mentioned some guy's alternate personality having different abilities and shit. :brace-dark-cowboy: and :liz-society: sounded understandably incredulous, lol
i mean that can kinda happen but probably not in the way they were suggesting
that's a trope that comes up in dumb horror movies featuring villain with DID a lot. which is cool, i love when dumb movies change the cultural perception of a mental illness :yes-honey-left:
The only thing that I was skeptical of was one personality having color blindness but not others, because I thought that was a physical deficiency.
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they rarely forget to plant that memory
oh fuck
well the good news is im such a cool communist the cia thought i was enough of a threat to implant fake, very specific memories into me :comfy-cool: