NGL as soon as I saw it was foster kids, I believed it immediately. The amount of abuse foster kids face in the US is harrowing. Even if this one isn’t true, this shit happens. But this reeks of a cover up to me. They prosecuted the accusers for perjury and threw them in jail
This sort of thing makes me wonder if the Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panic was an op to preemptively discredit people who uncovered the actual organized pedophile rings in the Anglosphere
I still remember before Pizzagate had coalesced into a single narrative, there was a lot of virtual labor being put into amateur research on child sex trafficking. And maybe I’m misremembering or just wasn’t on the “right” parts of the internet at the time, but that Comet Ping Pong attack happened and suddenly everyone who was following these email leaks and digging through them also seemed to believe this one very specific interpretation of everything. The libs and normies thought that “Pizzagate” meant stochastic terrorist who makes up fake basements. And iirc that movement later coalesced into QAnon, which is definitely an op of some kind.
There's enough evidence to suggest the beef between Temple of Set/Aquino and Church of Satan/Lavey, which featured heavily in the panic, was in all likelihood an op to deflect from larger networks of this shit. Aquino himself had deep military and intelligence connections. Rupert Murdoch heavily pushed the satanic panic nonsense with his media networks for a reason.
I worked extensively with foster kids over the last 4 years and the MAJORITY had suffered physical and sexual abuse. Shit fucks up kids so bad
Like before or after they were placed? Either way, I believe it
I super get it if you don’t wanna engage with even more stories of foster kids being abused given that you seem to do so a ton already, but this one’s an experience that stands out to me
My brother was placed with us when he was less than a year old. He had a cast on his leg because (and this is speculation because the previous foster dad denied doing anything) he’d been repeatedly slammed against a wall and then his leg was broken over someone’s thigh. The doctor said that his bones were still so flexible that for the break to be this bad it would have had to be intentional sustained pressure. Kid has major anger issues now but he can’t remember the trauma so it’s hard to work through. I just don’t understand opening up your home to a kid and then taking out so much anger on them. I think we have a picture of him somewhere with his eye still swollen shit. And he needed PT for a while because he learned to crawl in a cast
That shit is evil. I honestly don't understand what the fuck os wrong with people
I was listening to the recent TrueAnon episode about this nodding my head along to everything and then the interviewee starts talking about CIA mind control tech causing schizophrenia if the mind control victims don't get their mind control refreshed regularly
Oh yeah, it was DID, not schizophrenia. Kinda tuned out at that point
I'm listening to that episode currently. Nick said that some children who were involved in abusive government research would develop DID, which would in turn make them more susceptible to hypnosis. It sounded plausible to me. I didn't hear anything about getting mind control refreshed although I still have thirty minutes left in the episode.
How familiar are you with MKULTRA? They absolutely tried a bunch of wild shit. The TrueAnon episode with Lisa Pease left a lot of listeners similarly skeptical because it dealt with mind control and hypnosis, but I think she was right.
He specifically likens the process to missing an operating system update at one point- did he say that yet? I liked the episode otherwise but the DID talk went a bit too off the rails for my taste
Brace [1:27:07]: If they're mind controlling Paul [Bonacci], what are they mind controlling him to do? Because it seems like they just mind controlled him to be like a guy who lives like a fucked up shitty life.
Nick: Well the thing about it is---my understanding of mind control is [that] there has to be like---when you get the latest operating system there has to be updates, and if there isn't that then the mind control starts disintegrating---you have to kind of be up on it. Add ultimately you've done a lot of horrific stuff to this individual, and ultimately when their alters disintegrate they're ultimately going to be someone that's very very damaged.
He's not saying that people were literally programmed like computers. He was explaining how a person who was presumably once a useful intelligence asset could become psychologically damaged and dysfunctional after being discarded by the agency, and he made an analogy to a Windows computer that badly needs updates (because he probably has a boomer-brain understanding of computers). I think a better analogy would be "Paul had a very fragile psyche and he required constant conditioning by his handlers. When they abandoned him, he broke down."
Most of the concrete shit I've heard about mind control is like how Brace puts it, they "mind control" someone into being a destroyed human being, and if you're all fucked up and only want to avoid further pain and trauma then yeah you can be coerced into doing shit.
But mind control and brain washing gives a big air of mystique and sophistication to what ultimately appears to be systematically traumatizing a person constantly.
Anyone who could weigh in on if Chaos(the book excerpted in the link) is a worthwhile read?
It seems interesting but I got kind of a vibe like the author, when left with understandable spaces in actual available information, leaves an implication that whatever the truth is it must be very sinister, and very potent in effect or very large in scope. Personally I feel like I would be more interested in whatever facts have been scrounged together without too much of a noticeable authorial hand.
I recall skimming another book that started with looking at the connections that American serial killers had with military service during Vietnam, but then went hardcore into the direction of satanic DID cults running murders for hire(or fun, I guess), and the objective connections in themselves seemed interesting enough to learn about. Though what Ive heard of Chaos it doesnt have that kind of reputation to be that far out.
It probably was, I remember it being referenced on here during a discussion about serial killers and getting sceptical pretty fast after noticing factual errors in some of the cases I was familiar with when discussed in the book.
:what-the-hell:
that's a really wild suggestion since DID comes from childhood trauma
the way the media treats DID really has given people really weird perspectives on it, it's very cool
I really liked the episode up until that point but it went a bit woo with the DID talk, like the guest mentioned some guy's alternate personality having different abilities and shit. :brace-dark-cowboy: and :liz-society: sounded understandably incredulous, lol
i mean that can kinda happen but probably not in the way they were suggesting
that's a trope that comes up in dumb horror movies featuring villain with DID a lot. which is cool, i love when dumb movies change the cultural perception of a mental illness :yes-honey-left:
The only thing that I was skeptical of was one personality having color blindness but not others, because I thought that was a physical deficiency.
since DID comes from childhood trauma
they rarely forget to plant that memory
oh fuck
well the good news is im such a cool communist the cia thought i was enough of a threat to implant fake, very specific memories into me :comfy-cool:
My "Not involved in human trafficking" snopes article has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my snopes article
On a DID related noted, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation has to be one of the most suspect orgs in human history. It's no shocker that an org founded by someone who was accused by his own daughter of sexual abuse, also sent an "expert" to help Ghislaine Maxwell's defense. It's almost like they're just laughing at us
The Franklin child prostitution ring allegations began in June 1988 in Omaha, Nebraska and attracted significant public and political interest until late 1990, when separate state and federal grand juries concluded that the allegations were unfounded and the ring was a "carefully crafted hoax."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations
Discovery Channel produced a documentary on the scandal called Conspiracy of Silence that explored a potential cover-up, but the documentary's release was abruptly canceled shortly before it was scheduled to air.
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Well, I mean, of course. Because it was debunked. Can't have Discovery out there peddling Fake News.
Canceled but not destroyed and still available
CW: I'd say it's as bad as you think but it's probably worse Here it is
I haven't watched it in like a year or so since I first found this rabbit hole but I don't feel like watching it again, I already hate :amerikkka: about as much as I can which will somehow be surpassed the next time I find out about something like this
when separate state and federal grand juries concluded that the allegations were unfounded
Any time a grand jury bounces a case, that's an enormous red flag.
The saying is any decent prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. There is no representation from the defense -- you can just put up whatever you want uncontested.
Can we make a fact checking site for politifact? Not only would it be good agitprop, it would also make libs foam at the mouth
Hillary Clinton did not roll up to the jail cell on August 10th in a fake mustache and hand the guards each $100 bills that's ridiculous stop thinking that!
Nick Bryant's book is not for the faint of heart, in case anyone wants to read it. Some of the ritualistic abuse described by one of the victims is hellishly horrifying. As was the case with so much of the horrible shit that went on in the 70s and 80s, the Franklin scandal has ties to the Iran-Contra affair
One other thing I want to add is that after spending some time looking into this, as gruesome as it all is, it also shows how crazy the human spirit is when you look at someone like Alisha Owen, who stayed true to her story this whole time, and eventually found stability in her life.
Few if any of the satanic ritual abuse "cases" actually happened. "Investigators" sat with kids and asked leading questions ot just told kids what to "remember". Six year olds will just make shit up if you ask them enough leading questions. The biggest useful take away from the sra panic was that most sexual abuse doesn't involve strangers, it involves close friends and family.
Larry King used to get kids from Boys Town (real place) and the clergy was more than welcoming, and then flew them all over the country to use as sexual favors for eventual blackmail. King also did the national anthem for an RNC convention back in the 80s
Tangentially, Charles Manson passed thru Boys Town for a short while and had a fucked up experience from what is rumored
It was Epstein before Epstein.
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/628-real-detective-feat-nick-bryant-51622
https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy
Shout out to that young girl who refused to retract her abuse allegations even when the feds threw over 200 years at her for perjury.
over 200 years at her for perjury
a very normal sentence for allegedly "telling a lie after you said you wouldn't"
200 years
What even is the American legal system :michael-laugh:
Also :desolate:
I thought it was, but nope that was going on at the same time and "accidentally" has been conflated with the Franklin case ever since. Hearing just a bit about this one was genuinely bonechilling in a way I thought I was past feeling about this kind of thing
