Yes, it's something I feel very strongly about and find morally abhorrent to my core.
Apparently there's a non-insignificant number of leftists who find such a thing acceptable, perhaps even preferable, which provokes a strong reaction from me.
Dorner didn't kill cops' families out of "justice" or whatever. It is an asymmetric warfare tactic commonly used to terrorize targets that are too strong to go after themselves. Dorner was literally a terrorist, it's just that he terrorized cops and everyone here rightfully hates cops. I don't think anyone here thinks cop families are guilty of the same crimes cops are.
I'm not saying "we need to kill children" lol. I'm saying that you don't fucking know what a revolution would look like, especially in the imperial core where if we win all capitalists everywhere lose. Maybe it will be a relatively bloodless affair. Maybe everything will work out and revolutionary terror won't be necessary.
But you should be prepared for it to not be like that at all. You should be prepared for the enemy to mass murder us and our families with impunity. You should be prepared to do anything necessary to stop them, keyword being necessary. That's all we are saying. And people are handwringing like we want to kill babies, or even plan on it. I don't want to kill anyone, and I have no plans to ever kill anyone. But if fascists begin rounding up and killing those I love and care about, things change.
Yes, and the simple fact of the matter is that while avoiding underage casualties in war may be impossible and that is worth saying, it is also worth saying that “revolutionary terror targeting children doesn’t serve the ends of any revolution” and accepting that, even during a revolution, there are things you don’t do because they are so wrong that they undermine your cause.
I mean, that's wrong though. You don't know what the situation will be and what the stakes will be. What if the horrible act is the only thing you can do to try and stop something worse?
Yes, and the simple fact of the matter is that while avoiding underage casualties in war may be impossible and that is worth saying, it is also worth saying that “revolutionary terror targeting children doesn’t serve the ends of any revolution” and accepting that, even during a revolution, there are things you don’t do because they are so wrong that they undermine your cause.
This is the mischaracterization, it's neither of those things. Saying revolutionary terror targeting children doesn't serve the ends of any revolution is just objectively wrong. And saying that we think it's acceptable is also wrong. Sometimes you have to do things that are unacceptable and you shouldn't try to justify them. You can clarify context to let other people make their own judgement without justifying these acts. Likely, they will have the same conflicting feelings you would.
There was a thread I started regarding Dorner and how I was fine with him going after cops, but not so much how he targeted and killed a cop's daughter, that's what got me thinking about this subject more broadly.
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Probably the Dorner thread
Yes, it's something I feel very strongly about and find morally abhorrent to my core.
Apparently there's a non-insignificant number of leftists who find such a thing acceptable, perhaps even preferable, which provokes a strong reaction from me.
Dorner didn't kill cops' families out of "justice" or whatever. It is an asymmetric warfare tactic commonly used to terrorize targets that are too strong to go after themselves. Dorner was literally a terrorist, it's just that he terrorized cops and everyone here rightfully hates cops. I don't think anyone here thinks cop families are guilty of the same crimes cops are.
This isn't just about Dorner, it got me thinking about the issue at large as well.
The problem is you think your moral purity is more important than liberation of all people.
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Love too have my entire family and community genocided because the "revolutionaries" were worried about moral purity and got fucking executed
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I'm not saying "we need to kill children" lol. I'm saying that you don't fucking know what a revolution would look like, especially in the imperial core where if we win all capitalists everywhere lose. Maybe it will be a relatively bloodless affair. Maybe everything will work out and revolutionary terror won't be necessary.
But you should be prepared for it to not be like that at all. You should be prepared for the enemy to mass murder us and our families with impunity. You should be prepared to do anything necessary to stop them, keyword being necessary. That's all we are saying. And people are handwringing like we want to kill babies, or even plan on it. I don't want to kill anyone, and I have no plans to ever kill anyone. But if fascists begin rounding up and killing those I love and care about, things change.
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I mean, that's wrong though. You don't know what the situation will be and what the stakes will be. What if the horrible act is the only thing you can do to try and stop something worse?
This is the mischaracterization, it's neither of those things. Saying revolutionary terror targeting children doesn't serve the ends of any revolution is just objectively wrong. And saying that we think it's acceptable is also wrong. Sometimes you have to do things that are unacceptable and you shouldn't try to justify them. You can clarify context to let other people make their own judgement without justifying these acts. Likely, they will have the same conflicting feelings you would.
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There was a thread I started regarding Dorner and how I was fine with him going after cops, but not so much how he targeted and killed a cop's daughter, that's what got me thinking about this subject more broadly.