thats it. They're still so seething about how it 'destroyed the canon' or whatever. Its got to be some of the most weird form of movie brain worms that they just hated that movie instead of Revenge of Skywalker or whatever it was called, which was one of the worst movies of all time.
A lot of people would argue the phantom menace was the first truly awful star wars movie.
...not me of course. I was on the other side of that one (also I'm right don't @me :p) but let's not pretend like they weren't polarizing on release.
There is something to be said about that one though. Like the prequels there's actual discourse around the legacy of last Jedi....but not many defenders for rise of Skywalker.
phatom menace was good because it came out when i was 7 and it had jar jar step in the poo poo
also darth maul
Lol, I can't believe I entirely forgot about the prequels!
I'll amend my claim: TLJ was the first truly awful Star Wars to come out during the age of modern social media. There almost certainly was discourse around the prequels, but the number of people getting involved in flame wars on the 1999-era internet would be much lower.
:chomsky-yes-honey: i was there kid, the internet in 1999 was nothing but people getting into prequel flamewars
but yeah ive softened on the prequels over time, at least they failed in a funny way, and cos lucas was trying to do something kinda interesting that he just had far too little talent and far too much ego to pull off
Most importantly, back when the prequels came out the discourse was mostly about George Lucas being a hack fraud and not just another front in the right-wing culture wars
It was less concretely defined especially in the phantom menace era...but by revenge of this sith I would argue you could absolutely see the formations of proto chuds getting upset at how Lucas was injecting anti bush politics into star wars.
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Oh for sure. To be clear: as a prequel apologist I do not mean that the prequels politics were less concretely defined in phantom menace...just that the online discourse around them and the political backlash against them at the time was less concretely defined.
The critique of the politics of the phantom menace on release was mainly that they were boring. It was aotc and rots where, online at least, you started to see the libertarians rearing their ugly heads complaining about how star wars was about escapism and how they were annoyed at how Lucas was shoe horning his politics in.
I genuinely do wonder, if the Internet had been around in 1977, how that would have played out. Been years since I've seen them but there were early conversations on like darpa net or some shit someone fished out once about ROTJ that were kind of errie in how familiar they read.
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Obviously it can never be known for sure...but I genuinely think that's the case and I have for some time now...and not just because of the movie itself but also because of the discourse from the creators themselves which would have existed around it's release. At the very least you would have had an Avatar situation. Agree with your point about the banality of evil also.
Much lower in population certainly...although I'd argue much louder. You had to be a born and bread poster and super passionate star ward in the late 90s if you sought out and got into prequel flame wars!
the prequels are bad, the sequels are bad.
long live the boo- oh wait they threw out the baby with the bathwate and then burned it in effigy (luke's line "did you even read them?" yes, yes I did read them)
Return of the Jedi is also bad
it's the weakest original, sure but it's not the unhinged unfiltered lucas ess of the prequels or the brain rot of the mismanaged jj abrams trash sequels
I sat down and watched the fan restored versions of the original three movies some years ago and the third one was such a letdown and a massive step down in quality. While the entire series is obviously aimed at kids and adolescents, its tone felt like a cheap TV special aimed at first graders. Aside from a few fun special effects sequences and the character of the Emperor it just kind of sucked from top to bottom.
In terms of overall quality I'd honestly rank the first sequel movie above it