honey is bad because beekeeping under capitalism is bad for the local species the bees displace and because it's abusive to the bees somehow. Scavenging honey is bad because it's theft
shrimp are just sea bugs and as a liberal I insist you eat the bugs.
can't believe bees complain about the free housing, healthcare, being moved from food source to food source, the dang ol bees get better treatment than we do :yes-honey-left:
we jest, but there are actually ecological concerns with industrialized honey production but as usual the real problem is capitalism and we could absolutely do beekeeping in a harmonious way that some vegans would probably still be mad about but reasonable ones would be fine with.
i'm :10000-com: okay with ending the worst aspects of animal exploitation but there's always things like eggs and honey where I find it equitable to end the capitalist model of production and then it's more like a symbiotic relationship and vegans seem really extreme for their refusal to consider it
like "eat the bug" meme posts, chickens will eat those bugs and fuckin' love it and make eggs for us. Oh they're bred to make too many eggs and it's bad for their bones? umm maybe don't do that? breed them to produce fewer eggs? Even if it's a much reduced number it's still better to me than "eat those bugs, peasant." Oh you 'have to' grind up male chicks? uhhh maybe don't do that? 1) they only do that now because males take a few weeks longer to get to a weight where the meat is worth it, 2) there's methods of in-ovo sexing currently available. But oh woops it costs more to do that, which is why it isn't more wide spread. I've never heard an argument against eggs that is more involved than "these problems caused by capitalism..."
The red junglefowl from which chickens descend produces a handful of eggs yearly. it is nothing more than delusion to imagine that you could somehow make a perfectly fair solution wherein you exploit them for the tiny amount of eggs they naturally produce without it being fucked up somewhere along the line.
Not even getting into the fact that exploiting them in that way is simply wrong on its own
can’t believe bees complain about the free housing, healthcare, being moved from food source to food source, the dang ol bees get better treatment than we do
I used to volunteer at an apiary and go to industry conferences.
Bees are exploited because they are chattel. Their health is actually put in jeopardy because we breed them with low genetic diversity (certain traits make them easier to manage, like low aggression) and so they are more susceptible to colony collapse and varroa mites and such because of our interference.
Bees make their own housing, but we often deconstruct it for our own material benefit, like stealing their wax. They gather their own food, honey and pollen, which we steal for ourselves and replace with much less nutritious sugar water, which also leaves them weaker. Stealing their stores makes it harder for them to survive the winter as well.
Being moved is incredibly traumatic for bees. Many of them die in transportation. They get stressed about being in a strange places they don't recognize. Places they are shipped to pollinate very often have pesticides. Huge numbers of bees do not survive these chemicals. It changes depending on the year, but some beekeepers lose over half their hives, thousands to millions of bees.
Bees are sentient creatures. They do not deserve to be exploited by us.
i'm just confused. is the pizza emoji vegan? should I have spoiler tagged it and included a content note? 🍕
Honestly that's a good catch. I'm sure we can get it removed in the near future.
🥪 apparently this is a sandwich but i can't tell what's on it and it probably varies by OS
what is the consensus on 🍯 and 🍤 ?
honey is bad because beekeeping under capitalism is bad for the local species the bees displace and because it's abusive to the bees somehow. Scavenging honey is bad because it's theft
shrimp are just sea bugs and as a liberal I insist you eat the bugs.
can't believe bees complain about the free housing, healthcare, being moved from food source to food source, the dang ol bees get better treatment than we do :yes-honey-left:
we jest, but there are actually ecological concerns with industrialized honey production but as usual the real problem is capitalism and we could absolutely do beekeeping in a harmonious way that some vegans would probably still be mad about but reasonable ones would be fine with.
i'm :10000-com: okay with ending the worst aspects of animal exploitation but there's always things like eggs and honey where I find it equitable to end the capitalist model of production and then it's more like a symbiotic relationship and vegans seem really extreme for their refusal to consider it
like "eat the bug" meme posts, chickens will eat those bugs and fuckin' love it and make eggs for us. Oh they're bred to make too many eggs and it's bad for their bones? umm maybe don't do that? breed them to produce fewer eggs? Even if it's a much reduced number it's still better to me than "eat those bugs, peasant." Oh you 'have to' grind up male chicks? uhhh maybe don't do that? 1) they only do that now because males take a few weeks longer to get to a weight where the meat is worth it, 2) there's methods of in-ovo sexing currently available. But oh woops it costs more to do that, which is why it isn't more wide spread. I've never heard an argument against eggs that is more involved than "these problems caused by capitalism..."
The red junglefowl from which chickens descend produces a handful of eggs yearly. it is nothing more than delusion to imagine that you could somehow make a perfectly fair solution wherein you exploit them for the tiny amount of eggs they naturally produce without it being fucked up somewhere along the line.
Not even getting into the fact that exploiting them in that way is simply wrong on its own
Carnists do any amount of research before shooting off about how great it is to exploit sentient beings challenge
I used to volunteer at an apiary and go to industry conferences.
Bees are exploited because they are chattel. Their health is actually put in jeopardy because we breed them with low genetic diversity (certain traits make them easier to manage, like low aggression) and so they are more susceptible to colony collapse and varroa mites and such because of our interference.
Bees make their own housing, but we often deconstruct it for our own material benefit, like stealing their wax. They gather their own food, honey and pollen, which we steal for ourselves and replace with much less nutritious sugar water, which also leaves them weaker. Stealing their stores makes it harder for them to survive the winter as well.
Being moved is incredibly traumatic for bees. Many of them die in transportation. They get stressed about being in a strange places they don't recognize. Places they are shipped to pollinate very often have pesticides. Huge numbers of bees do not survive these chemicals. It changes depending on the year, but some beekeepers lose over half their hives, thousands to millions of bees.
Bees are sentient creatures. They do not deserve to be exploited by us.
It should be removed because of the olives more than anything fuxking hate oloves
olive struggle session here we go
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olives are fucking delicious i will not stand for this
those are olives? mine looks like american style pepperoni, no idea if it's vegan or not. tbh i don't even know that when i have a real pizza
On my os theres like a strip of mozzerella?? And like two olive slices for some reason
gross lmao
Use the spoiler tag or something idk
cw:cw food
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My emoji keyboard doesn't have the sandwich one ;-;