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    • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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      4 years ago

      Nah, I've given up.

      I absolutely see a path to a brighter future for the left under Biden than I do under Trump, but Biden does more damage to his campaign every day than I'll ever be able to make-up with a rational argument to increase the influence of the left in America, so fuck it. This is the 1933 election all over again where the Communists were so annoyed at the Centre Party and Social Democrats that they fucked off from the election and only engaged the Nazis on the street with violence. Guess we know how that turned out.

      Roe V Wade is going away, so get your borties in now. If you're in Iran, leave. I'm gonna try to bounce from the USA cuz obviously. There are tons of English teaching jobs in China, although why anyone would want to learn it as the Anglosphere is clearly collapsing is beyond me.

        • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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          Yeah obviously that's what I'm saying, what else could I possibly be saying by criticizing the left "strategically" sitting out an election because "this will show those centrists" has some historically pretty negative outcomes for the left?

          • communistthrowaway69 [none/use name]
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            You absolute fucking chowder brain.

            Electing Von Hindenburg is what got Hitler appointed Chancellor. He never won a fucking election.

            Hindenburg is the closest thing to a Biden-esque figure we have.

            The only hope in Weimar era Germany was confronting Nazi freikorps and killing them all, which the SPD refused to do.

            There was no electoral way out of fascism.

            You have no power in Bourgeois national elections. It literally doesn't matter.

            The idea that Trump is some Hitler-esque figure is a fucking fantasy, and the idea that 4-8 years of Democrats who are identical to Bush Era Republicans in outlook is a "good environment" for the left is just plugged into a fantasy of there being time for some 40 year electoral project of incremental Socialism. That's not a thing. It's never happened, and it never will.

            The challenge before us is figuring out what the fuck we're going to do, and how we're going to organize people.

            If you're running back to Bourgeois mechanisms to convince yourself you're "doing something," you're not. You're giving up to play with a busy box instead.

      • gayhobbes [he/him]
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        Roe V Wade is going away

        Imagine thinking that a woman can get an abortion safely and easily in the vast majority of America

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            4 years ago

            If they overturn it, it's just going to be illegal in states where it's already fucking impossible to get an abortion. It's going to be legal in states where it's not.

            • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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              Maybe, maybe not. There's been a greater shift to federal police power under the Trump administration with DHS goons showing up in any city they feel like. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some executive order to close all abortion clinics enforced by federal boots.

              I have no idea, I'm just saying we shouldn't expect what we had in the past to return because the opponents we're facing now are more radically ideological than before. Before, conservative politicians didn't give a fuck about abortions, it wasn't a conservative issue until conservatives lost the cultural war over segregation. Conservative politicians just played it up to cater to Falwell and his "Silent Majority" while Phyllis Schlafly wormed her bigoted ass through the GOP turning them into anti-abortion true believers over decades, finally living to see Trump win before dropping dead. Before, I don't think most conservative politicians had an honest intention of banning all abortions for everyone forever, but I think the new GOP is more far more radical and does actually want to ban all abortions for all people for all time.

              I don't know, though, nobody does I guess.

              • gayhobbes [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                There’s no maybe maybe not here, man. The Supreme Court is not gonna bless jackbooted thugs closing abortion clinics. That’s why they’ve always done it quietly.

                • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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                  4 years ago

                  The Supreme Court is not gonna bless jackbooted thugs closing abortion clinics.

                  How do you know? Because that's what has always happened in the past?

                  • gayhobbes [he/him]
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                    Because the US doesn't oppress like that. It's always been about fucking over swaths of people while maintaining a veneer of respectability. We aren't descending into fascism--we're dealing with a more overt fascist than we normally tend to see. The Supreme Court always aims to appear respectable so when they further overturn Roe v. Wade, it's not going to ban abortions. It's just going to make it a state decision again.