I mean as far as I know it had no long term effects. Shootings aren't exactly rare in the USA, what's the take here?

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    you heard of the 2020 Nova Scotia shootings and Gabriel Wortman being an RCMP informant? I think there's something similar here, like maybe he was involved in running guns for the feds and they covered up their relationship with him. maybe he got burned by the feds somehow like Wortman and raged out

      • DigimonOtis [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        That might have actually been his own money because he owned a dentistry business (still could be his informant payouts though), but the way we know he was a fed is:

        • the police response to obviously cover it up at every point, including immediately during his attack
        • he was pulled over without charge a week or two earlier, a common way to contact informants
        • he's legally not supposed to have any guns and his neighbours (and others) reported that they thought he had guns but this was never investigated and the reports/calls were mysteriously scrubbed or never kept at the police HQ
        • was allowed to build multiple replica cop cars
    • Coca_Cola_but_Commie [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      maybe he got burned by the feds somehow like Wortman and raged out

      This is always the explanation I liked the best. People talk about the supposed multiple shooters and imply that the feds did the attack as a false flag, then killed Paddock to stage the crime scene. But that seems complicated, convoluted, and hard to coverup. It makes way more sense to me that instead he had some kind of relationship with the feds (who knows what sort of relationship) he snaps and does the shooting (police being incompetent is no news, and how hard would it be for Paddock to carry a few dufflebags full of weapons up to his hotel room?) then feds deliberately don't investigate to avoid embarrassing themselves in the media.

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The money laundering and informant angle is certainly the only one that seems credible and likely to me.

      But I wouldn't totally discount the idea that an angry, alienated, guy full of hate just had enough and decided to kill a bunch of people either as a fuck you, or to be remembered.

    • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Love this post. I might print out a truncated version with the last paragraph untouched and hang it in my break room.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Why does there need to be anything more? Not everything has meaning. Some guy decided to kill a bunch of people and the power to do so, thanks to technology and circumstance, was readily attainable by him.

  • Commander_Data [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    One thing it's important to keep in mind is that sometimes we (non mainstream worldview people) can give the ruling class too much credit. We assume that the bourgeoisie is always acting in lockstep with each other and the state to control our social and political realities. This is definitely not the case as there are many competing interests in play.

    I think the most likely scenario is that this was a botched op. There was supposed to be a specific media narrative concerning the shooter's motive, but the media class felt whatever that narrative was, it was too damaging to their interests and so they pushed back against the actors at the deep state/TLA level.

    The west's intelligence agencies have been shown lately to be less than competent. If anything, this should give us a glimmer of hope. It's not a perfect analogy, but the I feel like the ruling class right now is akin to the genetic makeup of ruling families of hundreds of years ago. Those families became so inbred that their genetic diversity stagnated, and eventually adaptations that would never have been selected for naturally began to dominate allele frequency. The same thing is happening to the modern bourgeoisie, but on a cultural level. These people all go to the same schools, are from the same ethnic background, and essentially all come from a small group of families. Their culture is almost completely insular. Without a new injection of "cultural DNA" they've stagnated. Cultural traits that never would have been selected for naturally start to dominate. Maladaptive elements are becoming the norm.

    The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the motive was or what the intent of the TLAs was, or even whatever social engineering project they were trying to develop. We should be making note of the cracks in the armor, however. We're not going to get much of a chance to seize power in the imperial core, but we should be ready if and when that chance presents itself.

  • ligma [e/em/eir,ze/hir]
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    2 years ago

    when something seems fishy I can believe it's usually because there was a bright red flag that any actual law enforcement agency would pick up. The coverup is to make the red flags look like 'nobody could have known'. If the public knew how little the CIA/FBI is actually able to do about crime, they'd want them reined in.

    It's easier to do image control after the crime than prevent the crime.

  • fishnwhistle420 [he/him]
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    Yeah he had money, but wasn’t he a lonely old gambler who lived in a casino? Sounds pretty alienating. I think the meaninglessness of modern life has something to do with these shootings but the argument from both sides is only ever about guns and “mental health” but purely on an individual level

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      He had a house and a good amount of wealth even after taking some big gambling losses. He stayed at the casino a lot because they'd comp him rooms and meals and whatnot when he was spending/losing. Plus a girlfriend/wife although she seemed to be abroad and it might not have been much of a romantic relationship.

      Almost certainly alienated though.

  • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Fun fact: I have a family member that was at the Pentagon on 9/11 and was also at the hotel during this shooting

      • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        He's probably snorkeling around Aruba with his fourth wife right about now. I haven't seen him in a long time