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  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    Trump had us within hours of war with Iran; the "he's too incompetent to do imperialism" argument is overblown.

    • luka467 [they/them,he/him]
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      Considering the Dems response to that was 'he didn't go through the proper channels' then I highly doubt if Clinton were president things would have been any different.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        You're way off base here. The confrontation with Iran stemmed from Trump pulling out of the U.S.-Iran nuclear deal Obama negotiated, then Trump saber-rattling (including "genocidal taunts" that a U.S.-Iran war would be the "end of Iran"). Right off the bat there's a stark difference in how each party has handled Iran. Then, during the crisis itself, the House passed a resolution "direct[ing] the President to terminate the use of United States Armed Forces to engage in hostilities in or against Iran or any part of its government or military unless Congress has declared war or specifically authorized engaging in hostilities." Realistically that's a lot more than "go through the proper channels," especially because there was no popular support for such a war and a bunch of prominent Democrats had already condemned Trump escalating the situation by assassinating Soleimani.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            Democrats negotiated an agreement with Iran, they didn't just talk. There are plenty of places were Democrats do imperialism but this one ain't it, chief.

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                • Reaching a diplomatic agreement with Iran
                • Assassinating high-ranking Iranian military personnel

                You'd have to put your head clean through a brick wall to not see the difference

                • Civility [none/use name]
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                  It wasn't a "diplomatic agreement" it was fucking extortion to get Iran to stop their nuclear program cos if they succeeded it would get a lot harder to coup them.

                  The USA broke their side of the "agreement" the month the deal was signed when they never halted sanctions like they'd agreed to.

                  Iran is in a bettter position now than at the end of Obama's second term. Obama's deal left Iran under moderate sanctions (a blatant violation of the deal as it was written) and under the threat that if UN inspectors weren't satisfied their nuclear program wasn't happening those sanctions would increase to cripping levels. The Trump administratoin increased US Sanctions on Iran but the loss of US soft power under his regime led to the UN declining to extend UN sanctions following the assasination despite the US pushing for those sanctions to be extended. As it stands the UN sactions on Iran are set to expire in October 2020, the US' unilateral sanctions are increasingly inneffective as the US' economic hegemony deteriorates and the Iranian nuclear program has more enriched fissible material stockpiled and is presumably closer to producing a nuclear deterrent than it ever has been.

                  The Trump regime has been a fucking gift to Ali Khamenei and the people of Iran.

        • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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          Meanwhile Hillary wanted was saber rattling with Russia, war with Russia would be way more pleasant.

          Listen bub, the US is an insanely militaristic psycho country with or without a cheeto in the white house.

    • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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      "i want iran to know if I'm President we will attack Iran."

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAFvIT-NHs