Other than just burning :amerikkka: to the ground.

  • happybadger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Ensuring Ernst Thälmann and the KPD win in Germany. The Soviet Union was stuck on its back foot through the 30s and 40s because of their relationship to Germany more than anything else. If the German revolution had succeeded or even just made it a second Spanish Civil War, the Soviets would have been able to build up domestic industrial capacity.

    Alternatively, I'd give Marx enough material to make a Das Kapital of natural economy. Like with his ideas of primitive accumulation conditions, there wasn't enough source material for it. We could have had true radical environmentalism in the 60s and 70s. A true answer to industrialism and the oil economy, stealing the thunder from the hippies, pushing for real climate change solutions as soon as it became a policy issue. I think that would have really intensified western efforts and helped the eastern ones avoid some of their ecological and agricultural mistakes.

    • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      If the German revolution had succeeded or even just made it a second Spanish Civil War, the Soviets would have been able to build up domestic industrial capacity.

      oh shit, what if there was a Korean/Vietnam style civil war but earlier and in Germany?

      • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        As I understand the USSR did try to help supply/manage something like that in the early 20's, but it required going through Poland; which they weren't able to do. :/

    • TyMan210 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      In addition to not having them as a military rival, as far as I remember, Germany or some other industrial country having a successful revolution, and subsequent aid from that country, was taken as a given Lenin's original plans for the development of the Soviet Union after the revolution. It almost seems like the possibility of their revolution being the only successful one in Europe never really occurred to him. You can see a lot of the same optimism in pre-1918 Lenin as you can see in Marx and Engels, where they saw things going much better and on a faster time scale than what actually happened. Between the lack of allies and the foreign invasion, the original plan had to be scrapped, and a "strategic retreat" to the NEP and its reintroduction of the market became the new policy.

      It's an interesting alt-history to think about, where the new USSR keeps the more state-run system it had pre-NEP, and starts developing with the aid of a friendly industrial power, and therefore the "capitalist roader" faction that eventually led to Gorbachev never gained as much influence.

    • TyMan210 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I've been thinking about it more lol. After Karl Liebknecht was released from prison, he met with different groups to organize a general strike and uprising. He got some of them to agree, but they pushed it back to the 11th of November. He then met with the USPD, but they wouldn't sign on. Before the 11th came around, the Kiel Mutiny had spread and started a revolution on its own, that they were then forced to try and co-opt. They weren't able to, and instead the SPD was able to call it off once they got what they wanted. The KPD then launched their own uprising, and got defeated by the army and the proto-SA Freikorps.

      So, as a time traveler, one avenue would be to:

      A, convince the Revolutionary Stewards to move the uprising up, to line it up with the Kiel Mutiny spreading into a revolution across the country.

      And B, get the USPD on board with the uprising. Major figures in the mutiny were already USPD members, and so you gain the support of the main anti-war political body, as well as the large groups of armed sailors that were about to start taking over cities in the north of the country.

      Of course if you do that, then you have to figure out the re-invasion by the allied armies to prop up the SPD and the Wiemar Republic lol, but it's a start

      • happybadger [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I don't know how feasible a White Normandy would be. The thing that really brought the world out of the Great Depression was the war economy, but the war economy only began in response to Hitler's external aggression when it passed the point of not being able to ignore it. They'd have the incentive to stop it like the Russian Civil War, but in like 1933 when the New Deal was just kicking off and CPUSA was poised to gain in the 1936 elections. It'd also mean the collapse of the Axis, so while the Japanese would be in China and maybe other pacific islands they might not go for Pearl Harbour and end American isolationism. I don't think the liberal elements of France and Great Britain would have been enough even with a lend-lease, and Soviet industry would be somewhere near its normal 1940 levels by the time it'd happen.

        • TyMan210 [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          The scenario I was picturing would happen in late 1918 or early 1919, as a more successful version of the Sparticist Uprising that's able to make use of the organic uprising that they ended up tailing. This would be during the time period where peace negotiations had barely started, so the western front is kind of just frozen, but all the allied troops were still deployed, and the blockade was still in place. So when I say re-invade, I mean basically the western front starting up again, with the allied forces moving in to support the SPD government in opposition to the new Sparticist/KPD government. But that's also not a sure thing in this scenario, an attempt to start the war back up might would trigger something like the 1917 mutinies in the French Army, but on a much larger scale.

          I do agree with that though, if this happened with Thälmann like you had originally mentioned, they'd be in a much worse position to intervene, short of it turning into a full world war at least

          • happybadger [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Kicking off in 1918/1919 would be good for radicalising the alienated vets who turned to street violence. Coming out of the blockades and turnip winter would also mean the public has a lot more to gain from socialism than a decade later when fascism was promising the same material gains at the expense of minority groups.

            • TyMan210 [he/him, comrade/them]
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              2 years ago

              The thought has interested me enough that I've been working up an alt history timeline lol. I haven't worked out the details yet past changing the date of the uprising, but my rough plan so far is that once the counter-revolution is defeated in Germany and the USSR, Rosa returns to Poland to start agitating there, since she isn't killed in this timeline. With pressure from both the east and west from the two communist countries, eventually a communist government comes to power in Poland, opening up a land corridor from Germany to the USSR. That's as far as I've had the time to think about it though lol

    • TyMan210 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I only learned a couple of months ago about the assassination attempt against him in 1918. He was shot twice, and was quickly taken to his residence in the Kremlin, but was worried about getting attacked again, so he refused to go to a hospital to have the bullets removed. He seemed to recover quickly, but the attack and the bullets remaining in his body for so long seem to have majorly contributed to the health problems that lead to his relatively early death at 53

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Rosa's assassination was pivotal for the German revolution and that would have changed ww2 into a direct conflict between communism and capitalism. With a successful German revolution all of Europe could have been communist before the first nuclear bomb was ready. How the US then moves forward with that is extremely uncertain though.

  • MorelaakIsBack [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    six extremely high profile public killings of operation paperclip scientists, and I'd pants Truman on live TV during the speech he gave before he authorized LeMay to drop the nukes

  • hypercube [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    make corvids evolve to be as large as people (and therefore more intelligent, they got fancy brains). still working on step 2

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      "Hi John. You don't know me, but I know you. I want to show you something. This is called a Main Battle Tank".

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      There's a very goofy alternate history novel, "Guns of the South" by Harry Turtledove. South African fascists get a time machine and give Robert E. Lee a bunch of AK-47s and Uzis. Lee says something like, "These are very nice guns. Do you have any boots?"

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Smokeless powder and metallic cartridges were both watershed changes for firearms. metallic cartridges protected the powder and made re-loading vastly, vastly faster. Like I think they had problems with logistics for the early metallic cartridge rifles because troops were shooting so fast they were running out of ammo.

          Smokeless powder, too, was much more powerful and not producing huge clouds of smoke was a great tactical advantage. The only problem would be that you need high quality metallurgy to make steel that can handle the pressure of the explosion.

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    With full, unfettered access to time travel, I make Communism a fundamental state of reality

    • Soap_Owl [any]
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      2 years ago

      That one kinds is not sufficient. You need to teach them to not bathe and wallow in pig shit like us whites did.

        • Soap_Owl [any]
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          2 years ago

          Nah, cause they need to have a pathogen load to kill off the Europeans. We are talking full biowar

          • CrimsonSage [any]
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            2 years ago

            That wouldn't protect the Americans though... it would just kill Europeans back, it would literally just make the world a worse place.

                  • CrimsonSage [any]
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                    2 years ago

                    Except your plan would lead to the death of hundreds of millions across all of asia while doing nothing to prevent tragedy in the Americas. It is also essentializing capitalism to the nature of the peoples of Europe regardless of class or material conditions, it is just straight up eco-fascism justified through liberal moralism.

                    • Soap_Owl [any]
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                      2 years ago

                      I don't agree. The people that invented capitalism invented capitalism. Other people wouldn't invent the same sytem. We couldn't yet know if the economic rationalism required to prefigire comunism would be more or less likely with the new world being essentially off limits for resource extraction. I would think thst process would be faster and less totalizing in the senario of a depopulated old world. Which if it works would represents a massive savings in life lost over time. Since europe does go on to colonize and kill huge numbers of people in the old world as well.

                      If it does not work. We can just go back and undo the change we changed.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            They did kill a lot of Europeans, though. Syphilis was basically indistinguishable from a hemmoragic fever when it first hit Europe. Malaria et al killed off most of the Conquistadors.

            No, what you do is that you get the Aztec tributary states that joined Cortez to merc him and all his friends after they overthrew the Aztec empire, take their stuff and reverse engineer it, and unify Central America into a defensive military alliance.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The Incas could probably make good use of metallurgical technology. They had a big, organized, prosperous empire with this weird state-collectivist redistributive economy.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Europeans did actually bathe. The perception that they didn't was based on like two or three decades in France in the 18th century and is wildly oversold.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Going back to 1924 to shake Ayn Rand's hand and erase her from history, changing the course of history so Ronald Reagan and Allan Greenspan never gain power.

    • ElGosso [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Why just set fire when you could like shoot it with a bazooka :sicko-yes: get fucked Columbus

        • ElGosso [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Shoot the time cops with the bazooka :galaxy-brain:

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    One person will not change the course of history, but if I HAD to, I'd go back and try and mediate a compromise to avoid the Sino-Soviet split by explaining its consequences with 20/20 hindsight because I am of the future

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Ironically, you could actually achieve reconciliation just by empowering :corn-man-khrush:. He actually wanted to mend bridges with the CPC after the spectacular fuck-ups of 1950s (Destalinization is one part but it's overemphasized, as opposed to the mishandled famine relief). It's just that he got overruled by members of his own faction who thought China was ran by deviationists/dogmatists and wanted to break from it.

  • Pisha [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Try to cause a violent confrontation in Paris 1968. It would either go incredibly well or only moderately worse than in real history